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Old 03-08-2011, 07:03 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

700 yards on deer I would go bigger than the .260 Rem. The .260rem is a .308win necked down, so useing the same case with a smaller lighter bullet.
I think you were on the right track with the 7mm Rem. others to look at are the 6.5-.284, and 280 Rem.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:23 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

The 260 is big enough for deer sized animals out to 700 yards. With the 125 partition, it is still traveling over 1700 fps, which would give you the needed expansion to do the job. The drop would be ~49 clicks(1/4moa) if you have the zero at 300. Wind drift for 5 mph direct crosswind is ~11 clicks(1/4moa). The energy would be in the 800-825 range, which again will do the job.

You shouldn't overlook it just because it is a necked down 308 case. The 125 nosler partition isn't the highest bc in the 260 class, but I've found it to be very effective on whitetail and mulies. There is basically very little recoil, which can give you the confidence to squeeze at the longer distances without anticipating the "kick".

In the right hands, with practice, one could extend the 700 yard range out further and still be effective. And, you can stay relatively light in comparison to bigger bangers, which is a plus when you are in the field.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:05 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

this is good info, thanks for the replies, i really like this forum.
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:40 PM
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The 260 is big enough for deer sized animals out to 700 yards. With the 125 partition, it is still traveling over 1700 fps, which would give you the needed expansion to do the job. The drop would be ~49 clicks(1/4moa) if you have the zero at 300. Wind drift for 5 mph direct crosswind is ~11 clicks(1/4moa). The energy would be in the 800-825 range, which again will do the job.
This seems a little optimistic to me. First, I think Nosler's advertised BC of .449 is very optimistic, but even if it were true, using an MV of 2920 which is the highest that Nosler lists for this bullet and round, I am getting 1665 fps @ 700 yds @ 1000' elevation. With a good load of RL17, you might be able to bump that MV by 100 fps or so. Also, I would look at the 130 Scirocco which likely has a legititimate .5 BC plus and is a good hunting bullet. I doubt the deer would know the difference. I think 700 yds is probably stretching the 260 Rem for deer. The 6.5 - 284 would be a better choice IMO.

That being said, a .264 chambering will limit your rifle options.

-Mark
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:08 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

Savage makes the 110 predator in a 6.5x284, at the same price. short barrel life, but i dont plan on shooting the hell out of it, the only thing is the ammo price, brass cost right at a dollar a piece from midway supply.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:24 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

If you're concerned about price of ammo and over all choices, then stay with your original thought - 7 mm. Many choices, many good factory loads, good barrel life, and used out to well beyond 700 yards by it seems a bunch of posters here.

Montana - I appreciate your reply. Just used the 125 as an example. I use scenars most of the time I use the 260, just not as readily available. I would be comfortable using my 260 out to 700 yards, but then I know my capabilities. (And I've been told I'm a little bit towards the optimistic side most of the time!)

I also shoot a 7mm, but it bumps a little more, and the older I get, the nicer it is to feel less and still get the job done.
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Old 03-08-2011, 11:38 PM
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Re: Vanguard Sub MOA vs Savage 111 long range

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Savage makes the 110 predator in a 6.5x284, at the same price. short barrel life, but i dont plan on shooting the hell out of it, the only thing is the ammo price, brass cost right at a dollar a piece from midway supply.
Actually, the Lapua brass costs $116/100, and that's what you want to get. It's a good investment. I would gladly pay for Lapua brass in any cambering I could get it in. 100 cases will easily last the life of the barrel. Speaking of the life of the barrel, you might look into getting it nitrided and shoot it as much as you like.
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