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Ultimate 338 cal Gun

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Unread 02-28-2006, 04:05 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun

as they would say on hee-haw, don't blink. on second thought you better stay away from that 375, might break you in half!
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Unread 02-28-2006, 04:51 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun

Here is a pic of some of the Wildcat bullets including the 325 gr FB as many have probably never seen this bullet. Most impressive.

From left to right:
Speer 225 gr BTSP for size comparision, 252 gr ULD RBBT, 300 gr ULD RBBT, 325 gr FB and the big boy, the 350 gr ULD RBBT.

For a close to moderate range dangerous game bullet, the 325 would be my very first choice. The ogive is not as trim as the ULDs but there is no doubt this bullet would carry a LONG way if it needed to. The jacket is very heavy as well making it an idea sub 200 yard bullet for dangerous game when used in the big 338 magnums. It would be totally useful in anything in the 338 RUM class and above in my opinion.

I would have no reservation at all to hammer a cape buff in the shoulder with this bullet out of a 338 Kahn at any range under say half mile, even right up to the muzzle.

Just though you might want to see these.

While we are on the topic of the ultimate 338 rounds, here is a sneak peek of the 338 Allen Mag.

From left to right again:
7mm Allen Mag(338 Lapua based), 338-408 CT virgin case ready for fireforming, 338 Allen Magnum loaded with 300 gr ULD RBBT and then the 408 CT parent case. No data yet, just got the barrel work finished to the point it can be fired.

Filled to the mouth with AA8700, the virgin case holds 166 gr of powder, the 338 AM holds 178 gr filled to the mouth.

I am not saying the 338 AM is the ultimate 338 magnum wildcat. BD408 has the 338 Sniper Tac and Bruce Baer has the 338 Big Baer which all are basically the same thing in a different package, just another options to murky the waters. More to come soon.

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Unread 02-28-2006, 05:09 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun

Well so far there has been some great info here but know I have to change it up a little bit

I know most of the big 338 cartridges so i am wondering what would be the best one for brown bear?????? I am fixed on the 338 cal.

I am leaning toward the 338 Kahn pretty hard but I am always open to suggestions.

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Unread 02-28-2006, 07:47 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun


Are those Wildcat bullets hollow points? Hard to tell from the picture.
What kind of velocity range could one get with the 325 gr FB from a 338 RUM?
You are right, most impressive!


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Unread 02-28-2006, 07:55 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun

I would like to load some of the 325s in my 338WM. Lets see . . . 250 grs at 2700 fps . . . 325 grs at 2300 fps?
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Unread 02-28-2006, 08:50 PM
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I have a 338 Kahn that Kirby built for me last year. Kirby did a great job on the rifle. You should easily be able to get 3000fps with a 300grn pill, maybe 3100. I have been having good results with H50BMG and 300grn SMKs. I'm waiting for Richard to get his 338 dies back and make some 350grn RBBTs to try next.

I hope that Holland QD brake can tame it down enough. 9lbs sounds a little light to me, but if you can take it.....go for it. My Kahn is just a tad heavier, almost 19lbs scoped and battle ready [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Unread 02-28-2006, 08:54 PM
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Re: Ultimate 338 cal Gun

This is the first I have heard about the 338AM, are you holding out on me or what?? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Are you far enough along with it for me to consider it for my project you have in the shop now??

How much of a gain do you expect over the Kahn?
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