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Old 09-06-2013, 11:34 AM
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Re: sub 1000$ Gun (Not Custom)

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If you are referring to AI, as in Accuracy International rifles, then I will agree with your statement. You don't need a $6,000 rifle to shoot 1,000 yards. This is what I was talking about when referring to AI in my statements. It's just something that's stuck with me since I had a guy at the raneg bashing on savage and then he pulled out a AI with folding stock and couldn't hit squat with it.

Savage is not the most accurate out of the box rifle there is.....Please prove that statement. I'm not saying that anything else is better, I'm just curious what facts you have to support such a claim, other than your personal experiences, that none of us know. Other than my personal experience, I don't have anything else to base my statement on. I'd also like to read a scientific test on the accuracy of different brands of rifles but until then I'll continue to buy heavy barreled savages expecting to get 1/2" groups with match ammo right out of the box.


They usually get bagged on because of people making comments like you did. The Accutrigger is not that great, I know alot of Savage shooters that remove them for aftermarkets. The accutrigger is not the Holy Grail, but it did spark a lot of changes in the industry and even motivated Remington to change their entire product line with their new trigger so they could keep up. The Remington X-Mark Pro is also a POS, and should have never been allowed to leave the prototype stage. Completely agreed.

I am not being brand-biased, I just want to see solid facts for the claims you are making to this man, who is asking questions. All I can do if offer the guy free advise on what I've seen work really well and what I haven't. If I had on a white lab coat and all the money in the world to buy every rifle, compare it equally and report back I would. Unfortunately it's just not reality, and all I can say is what I expect out of a savage when I buy one.

Fact is that Remington Sendero and 5R MilSpec rifles have proven themselves for decades now. Sendero's are outstanding rifles, but the last time I checked I thought they were outside the $1,000 limit for this discussion. I'd love to be wrong on that and find a nice one myself. That's where my recommendations come from....Also from my personal many years of hands-on experience with each of those weapons (11 years for Senderos, and 4 years with the 5R MilSpecs) The best adivce you can give is about what your experience has been. Hopefully it helps the OP out and he gets a great rifle that he's happy with and he doesn't waste any $$
My responses in Blue. I don't think we're too far off here.
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Old 09-06-2013, 11:42 AM
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Re: sub 1000$ Gun (Not Custom)

I appreciate everyone's responses. I am even more confused now than ever.
So far looks like:
Tikka lite is decent but kicks hard because of how lite it is.
Savage is decent but gets bashed a lot about flimsy stocks.
Remington 700 is decent and has a great history but is more expensive and some say over priced.
Xbolt is decent but again is more expensive than the tikka and savage for maybe not a lot of gain.
Vanguard is decent but also more expensive and maybe with not much to gain.
Then some commented on some guns I have never heard of which left me even more confused.

I was hoping to come on here and hear an almost general concensus as to what most would buy with a 1000 dollars or less and now I am confused more than ever hahahaha.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:12 PM
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Re: sub 1000$ Gun (Not Custom)

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heard remington's downfall can be their factory triggers...do any of the models come with decent factory triggers?
Maybe I am being to picky about synthetic stocks if they cause so much issues...I just have heard things like "watch out, if you grip the stock to hard it flexes and touches the barrle" I have seen posts like this on the 700SPS, the tikka, the savage...basically everything with a synthetic stock haha
Yeah, the newer factory triggers are pure junk, in my opinion. I have 1 rifle with an X-Mark Pro (external adjustment), and another with the older X-Mark (non-external adjustment). The regular X-Mark isn't THAT bad, but still not what I'd call good. My favorite Remington triggers are the style before the X-Mark, with the flat wide trigger with the vertical ridges in it. A good smith can tune one of them almost as clean and crisp as any aftermarket trigger I've ever felt.

The cheaper line of rifles that don't have good HS Precision or B&C stocks on them, I would say would need a good aftermarket stock. Or atleast would recommend it.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:20 PM
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Yeah, the newer factory triggers are pure junk, in my opinion. I have 1 rifle with an X-Mark Pro (external adjustment), and another with the older X-Mark (non-external adjustment). The regular X-Mark isn't THAT bad, but still not what I'd call good. My favorite Remington triggers are the style before the X-Mark, with the flat wide trigger with the vertical ridges in it. A good smith can tune one of them almost as clean and crisp as any aftermarket trigger I've ever felt.

The cheaper line of rifles that don't have good HS Precision or B&C stocks on them, I would say would need a good aftermarket stock. Or atleast would recommend it.
could you give me an example of a a remington, browning, or whatever that comes with a HS precision or B&C?
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:23 PM
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I was hoping to come on here and hear an almost general concensus as to what most would buy with a 1000 dollars or less and now I am confused more than ever hahahaha.

On the bright side of that, there's a lot of people who are very loyal to whatever manufacturer they prefer for very good reasons. We live in a time when you can buy a rifle from just abuot any of the big manufacturers and walk away with an outstanding quality firearm. The confusion you're having right now, is a really great position to be in because you have an ocean of choices and can find something that will suit your needs/wants very closely opposed to having everyone on here agree that XYZ gun is the best and then if you didn't like something about it.

Remington's are outstanding with more aftermarket support than anything else. As much as I love savage the stock selection for Remington's is so much better. As much as I like the aftermarket support for Remington's in my experience I've had better luck with savage's on the accuracy department. It's the difference between a 1/2" (110FP) vs 7/8" (SPS Tact) which is pretty minimal in the shooting distances you're talking about.

You've gotten a lot of solid advice from a lot of different angles, now you need to go shoulder some rifles and see what you like, not what we like.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:27 PM
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Re: sub 1000$ Gun (Not Custom)

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My responses in Blue. I don't think we're too far off here.
The Senderos are just outside the $1K mark, usually around $1,100-1,200 from what I've seen lately.

Yeah, I wish I could buy one of everything and try them out too, and compare, but unfortunately, like you, money stops that from happening. LOL

Glad we could see eye-to-eye on a number of things. Just remember, there's always gonna be dicks in every sport that ruin things for the rest of us, or leave us with a disdain about certain things. But I usually just ignore that crap...Or try to atleast.

When I posted that response, I was just wanting the OP to get a fair representation for comparison, as any and all rifle brands will have shooters and lemons. Anything man-made has the potential for failure. Which is why I put almost all factory rifles on a similar level, simply because any mass produced rifle will never be quite as capable or have the precision advantage as a custom-built rig. Tolerences in the custom are always gonna be tighter, unless you happen to get a fluke rifle that ends up perfect from the factory. Luckily for me, I ended up with several 1-hole factory shooters. Is that a common occurance, I wouldn't say so, but I also believe the nut behind the trigger has alot to do with it. I think alot of your average folks out there who claim their rifle won't shoot good, aren't capable of shooting groups like they think they should. Just my personal opinion. All rifles have to pass a test from the factory, and if it won't shoot then it gets sent back to be fixed till it will.
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Old 09-06-2013, 12:30 PM
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Re: sub 1000$ Gun (Not Custom)

I agree with teddy, your call at this point to shoulder them and find a fit.
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