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Old 07-29-2011, 10:36 PM
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So many options, need advice

As the title says there are many options out there and I'm honestly new to long range shooting. Right now I live in WV and in moderatly hilly and wooded terrain so I use a 30-06 with a fixed scope of 4x30 if I recall. Not exactly long range shooting, but for deer hunting it does the job quite well given most kills occure ator under 75M or so.

Now I'm looking to buy something that can hit out to 600M and I am in need of some advice. I'm not trying to build a super expensive rifle since I'm just starting out, and right now 300M is about as far as I can find local range wise, but want that ability to do 600M

I've narrowed it down to either a Remington 700 or a Savage 10FP. I know I'd like to use a .308 round, and I've been told I should pick up a 6x24x50 scope or something close. In the Remington I know they make multiple variants of that series and I'm leaning towards the SVT with the triangular barrel and muzzle break.

Comments on the matter? I know the scope is going to be fairly expensive as well, I'd like to keep things economical if possable because like I said this is something new to me. I'm not looking to hit a silver dollar at 600M, but if I could consistantly hit a cantolop or even a small watermelon I'd be satisfied. Theres so much info out there I feel overwelmed as you may imagine, and I don't want to put my faith in some guy behind the counter trying to sell me a rifle alone.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:55 PM
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Re: So many options, need advice

The model 700 you speak of is a VTR, they have about a 5.5lbs trigger pull that you can get down to 3 if you lucky without slam fires, they are non floated, practically glue to the stock, and the break just makes a lot of noise because a 308 is very mild in my opinion, plus they are a 22" 12 twist. A friend of mine has a vtr that I load ammo for, after trimming the stock and fully bedding it so its free floated and exstensive trigger work it shoots about .5-.7moa with 168 sierra match kings over 46grns of varget. I'm not biased I own remingtons, but I bought a take off barrel from a model 10 fcp and put it on one of my spare 110 actions, which it is a heavier contour 24" 10 twist, but it shoots the same load in the .3moa range, so id go with the savage and an egw 20 moa 1 piece base, some weaver tactical rings and a 6-24x50 Nikon Monarch if I were you. Good luck.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:00 AM
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Re: So many options, need advice

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As the title says there are many options out there and I'm honestly new to long range shooting. Right now I live in WV and in moderatly hilly and wooded terrain so I use a 30-06 with a fixed scope of 4x30 if I recall. Not exactly long range shooting, but for deer hunting it does the job quite well given most kills occure ator under 75M or so.

Now I'm looking to buy something that can hit out to 600M and I am in need of some advice. I'm not trying to build a super expensive rifle since I'm just starting out, and right now 300M is about as far as I can find local range wise, but want that ability to do 600M

I've narrowed it down to either a Remington 700 or a Savage 10FP. I know I'd like to use a .308 round, and I've been told I should pick up a 6x24x50 scope or something close. In the Remington I know they make multiple variants of that series and I'm leaning towards the SVT with the triangular barrel and muzzle break.

Comments on the matter? I know the scope is going to be fairly expensive as well, I'd like to keep things economical if possable because like I said this is something new to me. I'm not looking to hit a silver dollar at 600M, but if I could consistantly hit a cantolop or even a small watermelon I'd be satisfied. Theres so much info out there I feel overwelmed as you may imagine, and I don't want to put my faith in some guy behind the counter trying to sell me a rifle alone.
30-06 will get you that far with enough power to kill Elk, Moose, Deer etc.

If you want more power than that then move up to a 300wsm, 300 WM, or 300 RUM.

If you are setting your range limit at 600 there's no need really for anything bigger than a 3.5-10x50 Leupold or maybe 4.5-14 Zeiss Conquest. Unless you plan on shooting Jackrabbit sized game that is at that range.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:09 AM
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Re: So many options, need advice

One of my rigs is a Savage Model 10 .308 with a Vortex Viper 6-24X50. WildRose is right that you don't need that much magnification unless you want to be shooting groups at 600 yards. You can hit larger game with a 3-9 without much trouble. However, if I want to punch paper at more than 300 yards, I prefer the higher magnification just because my eyes are not what they used to be. If you are shooting game at short distances you would be better off with 3 or 4.5 for the low end magnification. If you want to be precise then you probably need to pump up the magnification to 20 power or above at the high end.

There are scopes that will do both - such as 2.5 - 25 power March scopes or the 5-30 power Swarovski, but they will move you way up in price (<$3k). If you are looking at a tight budget, you are limited at either the low end, the high end, or resolution.

You just have to decide if the lower end (short range in woods) or the high end (long range small targets) is more important. Then you can make a choice between scopes with ranges from 3-9 or 4.5-14, or 6-24 will be the better choice.
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Old 07-30-2011, 02:30 AM
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I'll most likely use my 30-06 for what I've been using it for which is mostly hilly wooded area's w/o much open terrain. I've had pretty good luck with it so far, and it's an older rifle in all honesty. The barrel on it is short enough it looks more like a carbine and is a pump action. I've not seen many of those around either, but its a solid rifle for what I use it for.

I think I read that the effective range on a .308 is about 800M, some said 1K and while I can get by with a lower powered scope I'd like to get as high an accuracy as possable. I have no illusions of becomeing a sniper or even a exceptional shooter, but if I'm going to fire long range I want to be grouped as well as possable.

So it looks like people are leaning more towards the savage am I correct? Is the 10FP a solid model for someone starting out with or is there something I should research as well?
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I'll most likely use my 30-06 for what I've been using it for which is mostly hilly wooded area's w/o much open terrain. I've had pretty good luck with it so far, and it's an older rifle in all honesty. The barrel on it is short enough it looks more like a carbine and is a pump action. I've not seen many of those around either, but its a solid rifle for what I use it for.

I think I read that the effective range on a .308 is about 800M, some said 1K and while I can get by with a lower powered scope I'd like to get as high an accuracy as possable. I have no illusions of becomeing a sniper or even a exceptional shooter, but if I'm going to fire long range I want to be grouped as well as possable.

So it looks like people are leaning more towards the savage am I correct? Is the 10FP a solid model for someone starting out with or is there something I should research as well?
Rogue the 30-06 is superior to the .308win at any range and for any application.

I'd stay with that since it's what you know and love or go up to the .300 win or .300wsm as far as calibers go. The .308 win is a step or three down from all of the above.

If you want more magnification the above suggestions are good, but I'd also toss in the Zeiss Conquest .

Zeiss 6.5-20x50 Conquest SS Rapid Z 1000 Target Turr

Great value there for the money and it takes a lot of the work out of getting out to the 600-1000yds marks.

As for the rifles, the Remingtons, Savages, and Model 70s are all good choices for your desired application. There are lots of aftermarket options for both the remington and savages.
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Old 07-30-2011, 03:08 AM
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Re: So many options, need advice

I agree with the assessment the .30-06 being superior to the .308, but I'd qualify it a bit, to realize the full potential of the .30-06 one needs to handload. As economics is a consideration a .308 is generally more economical to shoot.
I had one of those carbine pump 18.5" barrel 30-06's years ago, had it setup with a peep sight for inclement weather, heavy brush days. Made the mistake of putting a scope on it, and found it outshot my bolt gun considerably. Always thought it rattled a bit too much. It even shot old surplus French military exceptionally well. Corrosive as hell, $1 a box, spend the next week pouring solvent down the barrel telling ourselves how much money we saved.
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