Originally Posted by crazyhorse
1. "If you do something that your guide dots your eye over ya probably ought to chalk it up to experience and call it a day". NOT! Unless I got drunk and found his wife, there is NO reason a guide should ever dot my eye. Having said that I'm not gonna be an Internet tough guy here, but if a guide EVER dots my eye one of us is leaving with a well whipped a$$!
2. "Remember that the guy who is guiding you often has your life in his hands". Wrong again, get over yourself. Unless you plan on shooting me in the back or sucker punching me you DO NOT have my life in your hands! I'm paying you for access and local knowledge of the area I'm hunting. I realize you probably run across some pretty helpless people but don't lump us all in this category. You never know what someone's background is so don't assume that everyone is an idiot. It's been my experience that only arrogant or insecure people do this (see a trend here?).
3. As far as your reason being that he was swinging towards a farm house or barn, you certainly shouldn't punch anyone to try and gain control! What if it was a glancing blow or he could just take a punch and he actually did hit the barn because of your actions or even worse out of reaction turned the gun on you!
I can guarantee you that I have instructed more people with firearms in a week than you have in your whole career. There are ways to control a dangerous person, and punching them is NOT on the list! You said you were 2 feet from this person and obviously close enough to hit them so what's wrong with a hand on the shoulder to control them from turning towards you while at the same time pushing the firearm off course in a safe direction. Unless the shooter is committing an intentional act they will most always remove their focus from the shot and give it to the person stepping in.
I certainly understand that in your line of work that you encounter some less than capable outdoorsman and even worse shooters. However, I would have to think that most people who care enough to spend a wad cash on an animal they probably don't have in their hometown are mostly capable hunters. They are just looking for a change of scenery. You are correct to stay in control for safety purposes but dead wrong for punching someone in a crisis. If you think I'm over reacting then I will wait for the day you punch the wrong person and get a good arse whipping. I will be real curious of your opinion on how to deal with an incident after that.
Lastly if you rely on guiding for a living, get over yourself! You are not the only person in the world capable of making it outside for more than hour. I would venture to say there are a lot of people who are even more capable than you! It is also very likely that you will never know who they are unless the need arises for them to prove it. I realize you probably fancy yourself as a cowboy but that kind of John Wayne crap is for the movies.
I'm not normally this opinionated but your stupid act and continued arrogance in support of it rubbed me just a little wrong.
I guess that you need to understand some things about guiding. If a guide screws up someone can die.
Bad treestand steps.
Bad front tire on a hired hands truck.
Lost medication at airport.(maybe isnt guides fault but still his problem)
Running board with ice on it(just a concussion and broken eye socket)
Horses(do I even need to go there or does everyone not understand this)
Holes for 4 wheelers to fall into.
4 wheelers by themselves.
Rattlesnakes in pit blinds.(mothballs)(good cover scent also)
Washboard roads. Blind curves that end in a canyon. Drunk hunters road hunting.
Hypothermia. (I was left in a blind all day after being told I would be picked up at 11am. It was -0.)And yeah I built a fire.
Getting truck stuck in a snowstorm.
Getting shot by some other client(never seen an AD?)
Leaving a knife in a backpack without a sheath and flopping down to shoot on the pack.
Stepping out of a tree because you just whacked a gagger.(that was me)
When its your place you might be ready for anything but when you spend $$ you expect that I thought of all these things. No the client isnt an idiot its not his job to watch out for this nor does he have a year to prepare for it.
Yes you are relying on someone to keep you alive on your trip. That is the 1st rule of guiding. Bring the customer back alive. A widow wont be happy even if hubby killed a gagger.
And yes 90% of guys who pay to hunt are just fine and can handle themselves fine....but even that guy is a dead man if you hang a treestand wrong.
Sorry I pissed the whole world off on the 1st day of the year and Im definetly not right all of the time but sometimes you need to look at the other fellows view also. Lots of guys die hunting and sometimes thats because they had a crappy guide.