Originally Posted by toddc
Please. I didnt threaten to bury anyone gawd. I did point out that you are hunting on the guides home turf and all that that brings with it. If you do something that a guide dots your eye over ya probly oughta chalk it up to experience and call it a day. Your guide lives where you are hunting. Period. They are most likely related to or friends with the whole county. The hulks statement that he would whoop the guides ass would get him into a lot of trouble with a lot of people. You are relying on that person to keep you alive and your gonna beat his ass? A guide can lose a customer ...can you lose your life?
I guess the point is that you should act like a human being and remember that the guy who is guiding you often has your life in his hands. I mean for real a guide could just LOSE YOU if he wanted to or screw you over by putting you in the last place on earth a deer will walk by or move your scope or bla bla bla. Your hunt and sometimes life is in thier hands.
And yes there are times when clients have to be disciplined or booted or whatever it takes to keep your business running on an even keel and keep your other clients from being disturbed.
If youve never had to boot a customer you havent run that many clients thru or your real lucky or dont have prohibitions against drinking.
Some people I just wont put in the field with a gun and me or an employee and we never discover that until they are here. I personally would wonder about any outfitter who has never booted anyone. Either they wont admit it or they are reaaaaaal lucky. Or they may not have the sense to know when someone is an accident waiting to happen.
Guiding mass quantities of people in the field is not as easy as some of you may assume and sometimes you have to balance the customer always being right with a real moron who could care less about you or the game being hunted.
Sorry if you guys dont like the reality of the business but thats it.
1. "If you do something that your guide dots your eye over ya probably ought to chalk it up to experience and call it a day". NOT! Unless I got drunk and found his wife, there is NO reason a guide should ever dot my eye. Having said that I'm not gonna be an Internet tough guy here, but if a guide EVER dots my eye one of us is leaving with a well whipped *****!
2. "Remember that the guy who is guiding you often has your life in his hands". Wrong again, get over yourself. Unless you plan on shooting me in the back or sucker punching me you DO NOT have my life in your hands! I'm paying you for access and local knowledge of the area I'm hunting. I realize you probably run across some pretty helpless people but don't lump us all in this category. You never know what someone's background is so don't assume that everyone is an idiot. It's been my experience that only arrogant or insecure people do this (see a trend here?).
3. As far as your reason being that he was swinging towards a farm house or barn, you certainly shouldn't punch anyone to try and gain control! What if it was a glancing blow or he could just take a punch and he actually did hit the barn because of your actions or even worse out of reaction turned the gun on you!
I can guarantee you that I have instructed more people with firearms in a week than you have in your whole career. There are ways to control a dangerous person, and punching them is NOT on the list! You said you were 2 feet from this person and obviously close enough to hit them so what's wrong with a hand on the shoulder to control them from turning towards you while at the same time pushing the firearm off course in a safe direction. Unless the shooter is committing an intentional act they will most always remove their focus from the shot and give it to the person stepping in.
I certainly understand that in your line of work that you encounter some less than capable outdoorsman and even worse shooters. However, I would have to think that most people who care enough to spend a wad cash on an animal they probably don't have in their hometown are mostly capable hunters. They are just looking for a change of scenery. You are correct to stay in control for safety purposes but dead wrong for punching someone in a crisis. If you think I'm over reacting then I will wait for the day you punch the wrong person and get a good arse whipping. I will be real curious of your opinion on how to deal with an incident after that.
Lastly if you rely on guiding for a living, get over yourself! You are not the only person in the world capable of making it outside for more than hour. I would venture to say there are a lot of people who are even more capable than you! It is also very likely that you will never know who they are unless the need arises for them to prove it. I realize you probably fancy yourself as a cowboy but that kind of John Wayne crap is for the movies.
I'm not normally this opinionated but your stupid act and continued arrogance in support of it rubbed me just a little wrong.