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Old 08-01-2013, 11:40 AM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

Easy there fellers! We are all entitled to an opinion and have varying personal experiences and preferences; let's try to provide information to help the OP make a sound decision.

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Old 08-02-2013, 11:14 AM
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What problem were they having?
The angled screw pulls down and back. How is that bad? The recoil lug is short and thick. Maybe it could be a little longer but but it doesn't flex. I have epoxied a piece of steel where the recoil lug makes contact on my 280 ack. laminated stock for more suport and strength. I was thinking it would strengthen that part of the stock giving the lug more surface contact to push against. Steel on steel. instead of steel on epoxie and wood. I used JB weld for bedding compound. I did this after installing the pillers. Did it help anything? Didn't hurt.
Probably the biggest problem with the front action screw is most M77 owners don't know how to torque them down properly which is not the actions "fault" necessarily but then again it is not as straight forward as torquing down other actions.

If you check out post #9 in this thread, you'll see the smith ground off the lug and drilled and tapped a new hole for the front screw and replaced the recoil lug with a beefier lug between the barrel and receiver much like the Rem design.

Ruger M77 action build???

An integral lug is much more desirable but in the case of the M77 the lug is not very substantial and it is milled out in the center for the action screw, further diminishing lug contact with the bed. Proper contact between recoil lug and stock bed is critical for reliable and repeatable precision shooting as I'm sure you know based on your post and the steps you took in epoxying in the steel piece into your bed. The angled configuration also makes it more challenging to do a proper bedding job. One also needs to take a little extra care that the screw is not in contact with the stock or pillar when torqued down which is another source of problems.

If the angled front action screw was not a negative issue, why would the smith grind off the lug, drill and tap a new hole and replace the lug with a Rem style one that is not integral? My smith, who I previously mentioned as liking M77's, also drills and taps for a new action screw that is not angled. This is a fairly common practice.

Another thing I'm not thrilled about is the 2 piece bottom metal/trigger guard along with middle screw. The one piece bottom metal trigger guard design with 2 screws is much better leading to less complication. The middle screw is also a source of issues if not torqued correctly. A lot of guys learn this the hard way with many rounds of wasted ammo down range. I broke my original trigger guard because I torqued it too hard and the replacement cost me $80.

I'm not trying to slam M77's. I am just telling it how I objectively see it and what I've learned after a lot of research.

The OP asked this....

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I would like to make it a shooter. I have asked several people and the general saying is that most guys won't work on a ruger action. Is it necessary to blue print this or would swapping the barrel and stock be sufficient? I don't want to break the bank but is putting a high end barrel on an untrued action pointless?
Like I said before, you can make anything shoot well if you put enough time and $$$ into it. IMO, the OP would do better to trade or sell his Ruger for something like a Howa/Vanguard or M70 which are very straight forward actions with desirable features that are important in a good action to build a precision rifle with. They need little to no messing around with other than a straight forward.

I have just had 2 rifles done on the Howa style actions and I am very pleased with them. The basic blueprint cost $325 ea. Nothing else was needed other than there was a $30 charge to remove the barrel because Howa puts their barrels in quite tight.. No special jigs, no tapping the receiver for rails, no changing the recoil lug and screw confguration. I even kept the original trigger on one because I was to tune it to a very crisp 1.5 lbs. The other I bought used with a Timney on it and i can't tell the difference. I did have large tactical knobs welded to the bolt handle which was not necessary but something I opted for.

If I do give my M77 a facelift, it won't be a practical decision, it will be a sentimental decision.
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Old 08-02-2013, 01:38 PM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

If he can get a 700 action or rifle pretty cheap, he should be able to have it trued and a good barrel put on with all smith work for around $600-700. That's what my smith charges for that job including the Douglas Premium Air-Gauged barrel blank. If you already have the rifle and an amuminum bed blocked stock and scope, you can have a very accurate custom rifle for well under $1K.

Any action can be used to make an accurate rifle. They all have their pros and cons with their designs.
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Old 08-02-2013, 11:19 PM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

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Probably the biggest problem with the front action screw is most M77 owners don't know how to torque them down properly which is not the actions "fault" necessarily but then again it is not as straight forward as torquing down other actions.

If you check out post #9 in this thread, you'll see the smith ground off the lug and drilled and tapped a new hole for the front screw and replaced the recoil lug with a beefier lug between the barrel and receiver much like the Rem design.

Ruger M77 action build???

An integral lug is much more desirable but in the case of the M77 the lug is not very substantial and it is milled out in the center for the action screw, further diminishing lug contact with the bed. Proper contact between recoil lug and stock bed is critical for reliable and repeatable precision shooting as I'm sure you know based on your post and the steps you took in epoxying in the steel piece into your bed. The angled configuration also makes it more challenging to do a proper bedding job. One also needs to take a little extra care that the screw is not in contact with the stock or pillar when torqued down which is another source of problems.

If the angled front action screw was not a negative issue, why would the smith grind off the lug, drill and tap a new hole and replace the lug with a Rem style one that is not integral? My smith, who I previously mentioned as liking M77's, also drills and taps for a new action screw that is not angled. This is a fairly common practice.

Another thing I'm not thrilled about is the 2 piece bottom metal/trigger guard along with middle screw. The one piece bottom metal trigger guard design with 2 screws is much better leading to less complication. The middle screw is also a source of issues if not torqued correctly. A lot of guys learn this the hard way with many rounds of wasted ammo down range. I broke my original trigger guard because I torqued it too hard and the replacement cost me $80.

I'm not trying to slam M77's. I am just telling it how I objectively see it and what I've learned after a lot of research.

The OP asked this....

Like I said before, you can make anything shoot well if you put enough time and $$$ into it. IMO, the OP would do better to trade or sell his Ruger for something like a Howa/Vanguard or M70 which are very straight forward actions with desirable features that are important in a good action to build a precision rifle with. They need little to no messing around with other than a straight forward.

I have just had 2 rifles done on the Howa style actions and I am very pleased with them. The basic blueprint cost $325 ea. Nothing else was needed other than there was a $30 charge to remove the barrel because Howa puts their barrels in quite tight.. No special jigs, no tapping the receiver for rails, no changing the recoil lug and screw confguration. I even kept the original trigger on one because I was to tune it to a very crisp 1.5 lbs. The other I bought used with a Timney on it and i can't tell the difference. I did have large tactical knobs welded to the bolt handle which was not necessary but something I opted for.

If I do give my M77 a facelift, it won't be a practical decision, it will be a sentimental decision.
Yes it is true that Rugers are not the perfect action. They have their kinks. Several times I was cusing, wishing I had a 700. I don't have alot of money so I had a wore out 25-06 that was a good shooter years ago. It was either sell it for a couple of hundred dollars and put that into something else or just get a new barrel and have my buddy install and chamber it in my Ruger action. I did want a 280 Ackley. I knew the drawbacks of the Rugers but it was my cheapest way to go. It shot great before. I knew I could get it to shoot just as good hopefully better with a custom barrel.. I had thought about doing away with the stock angle lug and bolt but then after thinking about the milling and how I was going to have to modfy floor plate to work after that and said that is too much trouble. I just didn't think it was worth it. I knew I could bed it and get it to work. I would like to see how they modified the floor plate, Just make another hinge? That is how I was going to do it.
By the way, Years ago when I bedded the 220 Swift I did learn how to break the trigger guard LOL It has had a steel one on it ever sence .
Like someone said." Only accurate guns are interesting". I myself don't care what brand it is. I will be working on my 700 SPS Varmint in 22-250 and see if it will out shoot my Old 220 Swift Ruger. It has its work cut out for it. Only time will tell.
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Old 08-03-2013, 01:43 PM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

Hey TNWhip...

While I am a HUGE 700 fan, and life-long 700 advocate, them words will start a war in a thread talking about which action is better than the other. Trust me, I know from experience. I told a guy to go buy a 700 and scrap his Savage, and the SHTF...
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Old 08-03-2013, 04:09 PM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

Amazing how one brand over another creates such chaos I think it is a personal choice. Nothing wring with savage, Rem, etc.. reminds me of the debates over who makes better car or pick up truck. I loved the Ruger's I had years ago. I enjoy my Mod70 even though it has trigger issues. And my savage .22-250 and my sav-10 in .308. Even though it to could be dine different. Enjoy what you have. Enjoy life
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Old 08-03-2013, 04:11 PM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

Oops spelled couple words wrong. Sorry gentlemen.
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