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Old 07-30-2013, 06:27 AM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

chad44,
I started out with a Ruger M77 in .270 Win. years ago. To start with it shot 1" to 1.5" groups at 100yds with factory ammo. Good enough for even the smallest NC whitetail. Shortly after purchasing it I got in to reloading (or should I say "reloading got in to me!") and this brought the groups down to an average of 3/4 to 1". Then I had the action bedded, barrel floated and the trigger adjusted and that took the groups down to an average of 1/2" with my reloads. I killed tons of deer with this rifle. When I started getting the itch to shoot at longer ranges back in the late 80's I swapped it out for a heavy barreled Sendero.
These three items (bedding/barrel floated/trigger adjustment/swap) along with having the crown dressed up may bring the ole girl around. Not sure if trueing the action without spinning on a new barrel will do any good. I have no experience in this matter. If you decide to go with a new barrel also, now you're into new rifle prices.

The stock touching the barrel interrupts the barrel's harmonics (i.e. vibrations) which occur as the bullet passes through the barrel. With consistent loads (i.e., reloads) these harmonics are "repeatable" and contribute to consistent groups. Consistent loads can be developed even with the stock touching the barrel (it may take a while), however, if your stock swells from moisture or humidity or shrinks from an overly dry area, then the "sweet spot" load you've developed will likely go to crap. Not something you would want to happen on the "hunt of a lifetime". Best just to float the barrel and eliminate the possibility.
Bedding solidifies the barreled action to the platform and contributes to overall consistency. Done right, it is legit.

Hope this helps in your decisions. Let us know how it goes. JohnnyK.
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Old 07-30-2013, 09:09 AM
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Re: Ruger accuracy

I can't speak for the older rugers. but I have a ss 77hawkeye. that I sold that after a trigger,bedding job and. barrel float would not do better than 1"and 1/2" at a hundred with partitions speer deep curls and Sierra. Ayear later I had it back in a trade I tried 180 tsx and with a little load. development .75 groups are the norm with 3000fps.Man I am glad I got that rifle back.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:33 AM
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I bought my old 25-06 Ruger in 1978. I wanted a long range varmint and deer rifle to replace my Rem. 788 in 308. I got into reloading at the same time. I worked on the trigger and bedded the stock and floated the barrel. It would shoot Hornandy 75g hp and 100g sp around 1/2 to 3/4". After all these years the barrel finally gave up the accuracy. Two years ago I had my gunsmith buddy install a #7 Douglas barrel in 280 Ackley, I assumed he trued the action. I put it in a Boyds laminated stock. I had a little trouble working up loads for it and the barrel was copper fouling really bad. I lapped it and worked up a load with H1000 and she is a 1/2" gun again. My old gunsmith buddy loved Mausers and he said he liked the Rugers better than Remington. He passed away right after I got my barreled action back from him. He was a great friend and I learned a lot from him over the years. I miss him alot. He would be happy I got it to shooting good and I shot my longest shot on a deer at 573 yards across the bean field last year with it. I also have a Bicentential Ruger in 220 swift that my cousin bought back in 1976. I have heard Ruger use to put Douglas barrels on there rifles back then? We use to shoot crows with it across the bean fields. I bedded and floated the barrel on it. I have not shot it in several years but the last time I shot it for group it was still shooting 2" at 200 yards. Now I have acquired two Rem. 700 SPS Varmints, one in 22-250 and 308. They are nice rifles and both shot great right out of the box. The 308 has been put in a Bell and Carlson Carbelite stock and the 22-250 is still in the Rem. plastic stock. I have only shot about 40 rounds of the bulk Win.45hp in it but they shoot under 1". The Rugers are hard to find Accessories for, at least my old tang safety models. You just don't have many choices like you do with the Remingtons. I like my Remingtons but I still love my Rugers.
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Old 07-31-2013, 12:30 AM
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I own an older ruger m77 in 243. It is totally stock and shoots minute of deer. I would like to make it a shooter. I have asked several people and the general saying is that most guys won't work on a ruger action. Is it necessary to blue print this or would swapping the barrel and stock be sufficient? I don't want to break the bank but is putting a high end barrel on an untrued action pointless?
If you're shooting an "older" factory rifle, don't expect miracles. It is what it is. The best accuracy i got out of my Tang Safety M77 7RM was about 3/4 MOA, which isn't bad considering it was a factory rifle. I burned the barrel out and was interested in re-barreling it and asked the question here in this thread...

Ruger M77 action build???

Bottom line is that the M77 just isn't the best action to do a build from or spend time and $$$ on.

If you really like your M77, go for it. I have spent a lot of time researching rifle actions and quite honestly, M77's are not near the top of the list. Mine is retired will likely stay retired. I've killed a lot of critters with it including a B&C Big Horn ram and I will hold on to it for sentimental reasons but no plans to give it an upgrade.

My smith actually likes M77's and when I asked him about the angled front action screw. He said, well, I re-driil and tap that out, which means you also have to modify the bottom metal and stock.

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Old 07-31-2013, 09:36 AM
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I think Montana Rifleman is on the Mark there are just better actions to try and get super accuracy out of. I found a sweet spot in mine but it would not be a choice for a build. On the positive note the thing is super reliable in harsh conditions. Very popular in Alaska where folks carry there rifles year round in the bush .
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:43 AM
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What is wrong with Ruger Actions? Why would it not be as accruacte if it was blueprinted? Cost ? What are the negatives?
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:02 AM
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What is wrong with Ruger Actions? Why would it not be as accruacte if it was blueprinted? Cost ? What are the negatives?
The biggest issue is the angled front screw. It causes a lot of problems in a lot of Rugers. Most smiths redrill and tap the reciever to make the front screw perpendicular to the reciever. The recoil lug is integrated which is a good thing but not very beefy. The trigger sucks but you can get a Timney. The ring/mount system is proprietary and you are stuck with Ruger rings unless you get custom ones made at a large cost. The bolt release is bulky and not as easy to use as most other actions. The push feed and CRF bolts are good. Very few aftermarket accessories and stocks available.
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