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Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

 
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Old 04-08-2011, 08:09 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

Now I know what to ask from the gunsmith.
I'm in Vancouver B.C.,do you think I should find a gunsmith here,I'm not
sure about shipping from the US.
I look at the price for the Accuracy International.
Very expensive.:( 6.000 and up):(
But the GA precison is much cheaper.
What would you recomend from GA?
Just wondering how you would put your rife
togetter? What you would use?
Thank you very much for all your help!
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:14 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

Accuracy Internationals are slightly over $3000 for their AE model I believe. It also depends on any options you add on, as does the price for a GA precision. People have had good experiences with GA's Rock rifle, though I'd go a different route, personally. If I were to buy a rifle from GA Precision, I'd probably get a base custom rifle in the caliber of your choosing, put it in a Accuracy International 1.5 Chassis for an extra $220, flute the barrel ($150), and install a GA Precision Templar Action ($500). This combo will get you a rifle that is just as good or better than a rock without spending any extra, if you leave out the price of the Templar action. I have no idea about gunsmiths in your area, or the laws pertaining to import/export of firearms or their components between Canada and America, so I can't help you there. I also can't help you for finding a gunsmith to help you build a truly custom rifle either. Last time I built one I used a local gunsmith who has since retired, and I haven't looked around for a long time.

If I were to put a rifle together now, I'd probably end up going a truly custom route and get what I feel is best, not what someone else thinks is. Also cheaper in the long run. not counting labor costs, you can build a comparable or better rifle doing it yourself than if you bought from a major vendor such as GA. You can build a rifle comparable to the setup I listed above from GA for considerably less. $450 for a contoured barrel-blank in Stainless Steel, $900 for an AICS 1.5 stock with a .300 Win Mag length feeding system (this stock has a built-in trigger guard and detachable box magazine system, so it is actually a pretty good value), $925 for a Borden Timberline action, no bedding necessary on the stock, $230 for a Jewell trigger with a safety, and you have $500 to spend on installation and still come in at $3000 total expenses. That is the route I would go personally. I believe this route you'll be happier with the finished product, seeing it go from individual parts into a rifle that is worthy of some serious envy at the range. But that is my own personal opinion, and I'll leave it up to you to decide for yourself what you really want to do. Like I said, there is a big disclaimer here; do not take my word as gospel and do exactly as I have outlined in this response. I do not and can not know what you will wring the most joy from. your preferences may be radically different than mine when it comes to guns, and I do not wish to pressure you into compromising between us.

You should know, though, that almost everything to do with custom gun-making takes a really, really, long time to materialize. Think not in terms of weeks, but months from now, quite possibly over a year. But this wait is most definitely worth it, at least in my experience. There is nothing quite like leaving a target full of groups, not a single one over 1/2 MOA, especially using a rifle you built from the ground up. It's like the marine mantra "This is my rifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine." When you custom build any kind of gun, you get that sense of accomplishment and satisfaction that is absent from others. I've built many an AR-15 recently, both for me and my buddies, and there is a lot of confidence that comes from that. It's quite addicting actually... .

Actually, I believe Lilja Barrels can make a gunsmith recommendation for you, not sure if that policy applies to Canada though. Sorry.
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Old 04-09-2011, 05:14 AM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

6mm Ackley Improved for Chuck

Here's a gun I just got done with. It cost around $3200 including brass and Redding dies. If you put a $600 scope on it instead of a $1600 scope, you could have something like it for $2200. Look at those groups you could be getting!
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:31 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

ClickMonkey!

You are really help me a'lot!
Accualy I was looking the GA LR hunter,"Non Typical"its cost $2900
and if I would have the barrel fluted and maybe but a muzzle break on it?
What do you think about that rifle?
I would prefer a custom build rifle,but I don't know any good gunsmith.:(
What caliber would you say would be the best for hunting?
I never handload myself but I would like to learn about it,and
doing it. I was thinking of the 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag.
What do you think?

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Old 04-10-2011, 01:22 AM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

I don't know about international shipping, but you might be able to send it down here to a gunsmith in the US to build for you.

On the GAP website, the Non typical is listed with a short action and its caliber is listed as short standard and short mags. That means no 7mm Remington Mag or .300 Win Mag version is available. There are 7mm and .30 caliber short mags out there, but from what I've heard of them, they do not handle heavy bullets very well, which limits their effectiveness at long range. also, the barrel looks to be a somewhat light contour for long range shooting. My personal choice for a caliber would be either a 7mm Rem mag or 7mm weatherby mag. In the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th edition), The Weatherby has a 200 fps advantage in muzzle velocity for the same amount of powder than the Remington. Looking at the cases firsthand, the case capacity looks essentially the same, but the bullet's bearing surface on the case is absolutely humongous on the weatherby due to its double-radiused neck, a feature all weatherby calibers have. In theory, this could increase the chamber pressures and put more force on the projectile while it is in the chamber and not yet contacting the rifling. This is my only explanation for the 200 fps jump in velocity. so, a weatherby mag with a 175gr bullet will hit a muzzle velocity of 3100 fps according to the handbook for the same amount of powder as the Remington Magnum. If you want to start handloading, this performance increase might be something you want to look into. I'll leave it up to you to decide if the performance jump is worth the cost and availability of quality components. Also, the weatherby and remington mags, since they use almost the same powder charge will theoretically have the same barrel wear, which will be reasonable for a magnum, another important thing to consider. Another thing to mention is that, if you ever feel that handloading is too troublesome or time-consuming, the factory ammo availability of the weatherby is virtually nothing. a 7mm Rem Mag might be better for you in this eventuality.

The problem with the .300 Winchester Magnum is that the bearing surface that it has on the bullet is detrimentally short, limiting the weight of bullet that the cartridge can handle. a 200 grain bullet is generally accepted to be the ceiling of the win mag. A Sierra 7mm 180gr BTHP matchking has a higher Ballistic Coefficient than the 200gr .30 caliber matchking, and will retain its velocity better, buck wind better and have higher sectional density than said .30 caliber. The problem with going up the scale for .30 calibers is the recoil generated by shooting a 220 or 240gr bullet at 2900-3000 fps, and the availability of these heavier .30 caliber bullets.

In a custom rifle with a barrel twist rate that can stabilize the 7mm's, I think that they have more than enough long range capability for 1000 yards and beyond. They have a flatter trajectory, lower recoil, higher BC's, and low enough meat damage at close range to be effective in a hunting role at short ranges as well. They are overall, perfect for the kind of shooting I do.

If you put a muzzle brake on it, I would personally go with an American Precision Arms Fat Bastard Muzzle Brake (see link below).

American Precision Arms

This thing was designed with calibers up to the .338 Lapua in mind. I think it will do the best job of reducing recoil on the market at this point, without being ridiculously huge and cumbersome. Do of course get it professionally installed, either while the rifle's at GAP or afterwards once you find a good smith.

I would definitely get the barrel fluted. It will reduce weight slightly without reducing barrel rigidity, or adversely affecting harmonics, and cool the barrel faster in between shots. I don't see any reason not to get the barrel fluted.

Also worth mentioning is stock choice concerning these calibers. The 7mm Weatherby and Remington Magnums will fit into virtually any stock or trigger guard that has a 300 win mag length feeding system, according to some experts I've consulted on the matter, when I was outlining the plan I had for my next custom rifle and asking their advice (surprise! it's going to be a 7mm Weatherby).

Sorry for the rant(s)...
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