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Old 03-25-2011, 01:35 AM
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Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

I would like to own a rifle what I can use long range hunting.
More I read about it,the more confused I got.

Let say the barrel. Many people say,longer is better for better accuracy.
Many people say it doesn't really make a different if you have a 20" or 26".
Than the weight of the barrel.
If you using it only for hunting then you probably going to shoot one or
two shoots. So why are heavy barrel on most of the long range hunting rifle?
Like Sendero.
Would it make any different to buy the remington XCR or the Sendero
other than the Sendero has more weight and more expensive.
I have a Rem.XCR tactical compact .308 caliber.
I love how accurate this rifle is,but my friend has a Remington XCR which is like
close to two pound lighter than my rifle.
Do I really need that extra weight to make a nice clean kill
let's say 500yards? or 900yards?

Than accuracy.
I went to see a gunsmith and I told him to build me a better rifle the
one I have.
He said he can build me a rifle for $3000-$3500can ,but its not gonna be a better
than my XCR tactical compact.
I ask him about the .308 power out on 1000yards.
He said if you accurate the .308 will do it.
He said I should just keep the rifle I have,and buy bullets for that money,
and practice.

My questions,can I change the barrel to a lighter barrel?
or just buy a bigger cal.rifle like 7mm rem mag.
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Old 04-03-2011, 06:58 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

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Do I really need that extra weight to make a nice clean kill
let's say 500yards? or 900yards?
It really depends on where the weight is. The barrel is not the only thing that adds weight to a rifle, think about stocks, scopes, mounts, and accessories and the weight they add to a build. Also, more than the weight of the barrel, the most important thing about weight is its distribution. On an AR-15 for example, a well-balanced bull-barreled rifle can feel as light as a carbine if done correctly. If it is not, it will feel like a 20 lb lead weight is hanging off the muzzle end. Weight distribution has, in my opinion, a greater impact on perceived weight than the actual, clinical weight of the weapon. So no, you don't need an ungodly heavy weapon to make a kill at those ranges. You also don't need a rifle to feel 30 lbs muzzle heavy to be effective in competition.

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Let say the barrel. Many people say,longer is better for better accuracy.
That depends on how you look at it. for a caliber with a low muzzle velocity and a parabolic trajectory (exaggerated bullet drop), a long barrel can be beneficial to long range accuracy. From a .308 winchester with a 24" barrel, a specific load with even 10 fps deviation of muzzle velocity can equate to a difference of 4" in the point of impact at 1000 yards. So, at 1000 yards with this rifle, the smallest group you can logically print is 4". A longer barrel equals more muzzle velocity, which equates to a flatter trajectory and less of the aforementioned deviation. This is only of interest when ranges outside what is considered "effective" are necessary. This can also be remedied through load consistency if you are a handloader, or stepping up to a magnum caliber in order to achieve a flat trajectory. Additionally, the extra muzzle velocity reduces the flight time of the bullet, reducing its exposure to wind and other environmental effects. This can help with wind bucking and flight time, essential when engaging moving targets.... This is the same reason people do not use subsonic bullets past a couple hundred yards. That, and most people's scopes do not have enough adjustment range to even use them past 300 yards. And the fact that they can barely even punch through paper at that range.
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My questions,can I change the barrel to a lighter barrel?
from Chuck Hawks himself; "Heavy barrels take longer to heat-up, thus maintaining good accuracy for more shots. They are also usually more consistent in the way they vibrate as a bullet passes down their length, which is very important for good accuracy. They resist outside bending forces, like changes in forearm pressure or pressure from a sling pulling the forearm against one side of the barrel, better than light barrels. They are less sensitive to how they are bedded in the stock. Their weight (within reason) makes it easier to hold the rifle steady. For all of these reasons, heavy barrels are generally more accurate than lighter barrels."

My advice would be to go with something like a sendero in a large magnum caliber (7mm Rem Mag at least) if you really want to shoot effectively at 1000 yards frequently. If you don't, then stay with what you have, it is capable of most everything else you could do with a sendero.

Anyway, my rant is over now...

Hope this helped

Last edited by ClickMonkey; 04-03-2011 at 07:06 PM. Reason: clarification
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:28 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

Thank you so much for your help!
Do you thing a sendero is a good rifle?
What would be the best rifle for hunting,
if your buget is $3000?
Thank you again!!!
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Old 04-05-2011, 05:07 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

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Thank you so much for your help!
Do you thing a sendero is a good rifle?
What would be the best rifle for hunting,
if your buget is $3000?
Thank you again!!!
There are a lot of Sendero fans on this sight. I would say by the numbers it is one of the most popular expensive model Remington's used. They come with H-S stocks (from my understanding in other conversations), pillar bedding or an aluminum bedding block, and a trigger that can be set quite nicely by somebody that knows what they are doing. If your smith said he can build a $3000 to $3500 rifle that doesn't shoot any better than an XCR... then find another smith.

There is a reason people purchase custom actions and components to build top quality, excellent performing rifles. Starting with a Remmy clone action or of someone's own design, are generally stronger than any factory made action and held to tighter tolerances. For 3G's you could get yourself a custom action, barrel, recoil lug, bolt handle, and stock that I can almost gaurantee it will out shoot an XCR. Play your money right, and you could possibly cover the cost of scope mount, rings, and scope for your total amount.

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Old 04-05-2011, 05:49 PM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

Thank you for your reply.
I gonna talk with an other gunsmith

Thank you
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Thank you for your reply.
I gonna talk with an other gunsmith

Thank you
We have a bunch of good smiths on this site. Look around and ask questions.

Tank
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:00 AM
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Re: Rem.XCR Tactical Compact .308 for long range hunting?

Sorry for the late reply, just got the e-mail saying someone else responded.

I do think the Sendero is a good rifle. It is a perfect choice for a shooter who wants a viable Long range gun without dropping a ton on a custom rifle or someone that doesn't have the patience or knowledge to build such a rifle. If you do not fall into either of these categories, then a good custom rifle will leave you grinning ear-to-ear and drilling groups you only ever dreamed of doing. For $3000, you can do a heck of a lot better than a Sendero...

For no-gunsmithing- needed rifles, check out Accuracy international or GA Precision. For a true "Custom" Rifle, read the following paragraph.

I would start with an action. there are a ton on the market. I believe 6mmBR.com has a pretty comprehensive list of them all on their website. I'd personally take a look at the Borden Alpine and Timberline actions, They are probably the best bang for your buck in the custom action world. They're relatively cheap for an action too, only about $900 if I remember correctly. Then, I'd look at custom barrels; Hart, Krieger, Lilja, Rock Creek, Obermeyer, and Bartlein, whichever one you want. Somebody is almost certainly going to disagree with my choices, but I personally would look carefully at the liljas. Any of the above will net you great results, but I feel that Lilja barrels require the least maintenance (they have less copper fouling than many others), and Dan Lilja has, in my opinion, one of the most profound understandings of what makes a good barrel and an accurate overall weapon. If you look at the equipment lists for major competitions, there is almost always someone using a Lilja barrel. It's up to you though, The rest have merits of a similar nature, depending on what you personally think and value. Now Look up good stocks, namely mcmillan, manners, HS Precision, and Accuracy International if you want a detachable mag system and decide on a caliber. There are so many I'm not going to go in depth on it. Scout out some good glass; Nightforce, Leupold, and Vortex to name a few. If you want to ever use a range-finding reticule or want to use reticule-based holdover, then try to find something in First-Focal Plane rather than second. This means that the reticule will seem to grow smaller or larger on different zoom settings, and the reticule hash marks will be accurate at any range, not just one.

There is a disclaimer however. There are more steps to building a tack-driver like this, but I feel that these parts contribute most to accuracy and are what you need to focus on when buying a new custom rifle. I do not want to convince you to go one way or another, merely point you in the right direction. Whenever you spend this much on a rifle, you should do as much research as you can on every product you come across, don't take one person's opinion and do whatever they say, look it up and decide for yourself.

Whatever you decide, you can easily come up with a rifle that will drill groups that your XCR would balk at all day at the range, and be more than accurate enough to take confident shots on game out to ranges that will far exceed what you can do now. I hope you end up with a rifle that will make you as happy as I was with my first custom build.

Hope I helped more than hindered.

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