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Old 03-11-2011, 03:47 PM
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Realistic Accuracy from OTC guns?

What is a realistic "tight" group from an over the counter gun, non custom gun, AFTER a lot of reloading and load work up?

With some time building loads could a stock Abolt or Stock M700 shoot 3/4 inch?

Just curious, share your experience...
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Re: Realistic Accuracy from OTC guns?

And I'm not talking about that ONE gun that came out perfect and shoots 1 hole groups at 100 yards... I am talking out of 100 Rem 700 BDL's... what kind of an avg group might you get?

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Re: Realistic Accuracy from OTC guns?

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What is a realistic "tight" group from an over the counter gun, non custom gun, AFTER a lot of reloading and load work up?

With some time building loads could a stock Abolt or Stock M700 shoot 3/4 inch?

Just curious, share your experience...

3/4" absolutely yes! Factory rifles have come a long way and the market is extremely competitive to produce quality. I have 3/4" or better loads for each of my factory guns. I own 3 Abolts (243 Win, 300 WSM, 270 Win), a Savage VLP (fast twist 22-250), a M77 375 Ruger, and a Win 70 (300 WSM).

I have a load for the Win 70 that puts 3 shots into a .25" hole with 200 grain Accubonds at 100 yards. And I have since verified the accuracy several times at different ranges. So yes, if you put the time into getting to know your rifle, you can have a great shooter.

The Savage is crazy "one hole" accurate with 70 grain Bergers. The 300 WSM Abolt has printed several .30-.50" groups, and the .243 is right in there too.

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Old 03-11-2011, 04:36 PM
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Re: Realistic Accuracy from OTC guns?

I've not owned 100 different remington 700's but I've had a few.
Also had a couple factory rugers, and all would shoot 3/4 moa or better with developed selected handloads.

Getting 3/4 moa with factory ammo is a matter of luck with certain factory guns IMO. That has been my experience. In fact, I don't recall any factory ammo in any factory gun that would consistently shoot 3/4 moa.

All factory bolt action rifles I've had were capable of sub 3/4 moa (some sub 1/2 moa), but they've all taken quite a bit of load development to shoot this sub 3/4 and sub 1/2 minute consistantly. The ones that shot sub 1/2 minute needed bedding, floating and trigger work to shoot that good. This is also based on shooting from a benchrest with high power optics on days with good conditions........I don't claim to be able to shoot 1/2 moa under all conditions.

Heck, I've got a Marlin lever action 45-70 that shoots the Hornady factory ammo into 1 moa out to 200 yds (farthes I've shot it so far). I've only shot 5 - 3 shot groups with it, but all 5 groups were moa.

I normally test heavy barrel or varmint guns with 5 shot groups, and at 200 or further. Lots of 300 and 400 testing.
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do you live by montanarifleman? i have several 700's tha shoot real good. my 7mmmag adl shot a .112 at 100 . went back out couple weeks later ; same load at 200 was 1.56. all will shoot less than inch. my 700 mtn 30-06 weighs 6 pounds and kicks a lot ; shoots .4-.6 at 100 and 3-4 inches at 200. my heavy barrel .222 shoots everything i have tried around .4 or .5.
my two 6.5-284 with kriegers shoot everything good; some real good. roninflag
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Re: Realistic Accuracy from OTC guns?

My otc all factory model 70 with factory 26" will shoot <1moa with HSM factory ammo if my Army friend shoots it off the bench. I can't do it tho. I do however shoot 4 inch groups at 425 yrds. I dont put a lot of stock in groups tho. Hunting is about one cold bore shot, or perhaps two, thats all. The group stuff is for paper punchers and techys.
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Old 03-11-2011, 11:31 PM
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Hunting is about one cold bore shot, or perhaps two, thats all. The group stuff is for paper punchers and techys.
I find myself having to disagree, just a little though.

How many times have you found yourself in a situation where you could fill two or three tags at one spot, in one setting, with 2 or 3 shots? It's happend for me multiple times. How many times have you called in 4 or 5 coyotes at once and manage to get shots at all of them before they get out of range? That too has happened for me a few times.

Although I hate it when it happens, and it's very seldom, but I've made bad shots and had to follow up with another one or two really quick like. My first shot is generally the best, because my nerves are steadier. The last thing I want is for the first shot to go somewhere that the rest don't also go. Likewise, I don't want the 3rd or 4th shot going somewhere else either.

Not to mention prarie dogs, chucks and other varmints. How often do we shoot a full magazine at them and still have targets in front of us? ALOT!
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