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Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

 
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Old 10-18-2003, 01:35 PM
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Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

We are starting to make out drop-charts with two sets of data, first is the MOA elevation for each distance, and then the relationship to the distance/point of impact for each mildot for the calibers we hunt with. My partner even gets fancy and draws a mildot diagram to scale down the right side of the MOA drops, so you can instantly see where to hold at a given distance.
Anyone else doing anything like charts for mildot hold-offs?
One of our guys is making some pretty good kills out to mid-500 with mildot holds only, no scope crankin'. We have killed quite a few mule deer in the last week or so on the CWD cull, great learning experience.
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Old 10-18-2003, 01:51 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

I use mil dots, and MOA on my r2 reticule. I also do a hold over chart at 10 and 32 power with my R2 reticule since the MOA scale is set for 22x. I do 24 power and 12 power on my B&L 6-24. The mil dots are only mils at 12x so I convert the hold over to 24x as well.
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Old 10-18-2003, 03:16 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

I use a mildot where I have zeroed the main cross hair at 300 yards and my load just so happens to be dead on at 400 yards with the first mil, dead on at 500 yards with the second, and dead on at 600 yards with the third. NO adjustments needed. I adjust for wind and shots past 600 yards. A ballistic program also shows the math to be right.

I let a buddie use my rifle this year to take a dall ram at 600 yards uphill. I deducted 7 clicks for the angle and he held the 3rd mil right on and we collected him.

I also use computer technology to make diagrams of reticles and how to use them for my ballistics. I have a program that contains diagrams of all popular reticles, including all the Nightforce and leupold and the springfield armory 7.62 3rd Gen. From there they can be edited and drawn on via a paint type program for your specific use.
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Old 10-18-2003, 03:23 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

SS,
Must be nice to be able to calculate the math for those scopes, I am pretty near hopeless at that. That is why I like to go out and shoot the drops, we are going out shortly with a 14' high target to get actual drops in fifty yard increments. Hope to correlate the drops to the dots as we shoot, then make new tables since we are testing some relatively new bullets. Buddy is going elk hunting and will be shooting 168 Triple Shocks in his .308.

One of my friends lined up on a mulie doe yesterday at just over 500, broadside shot, he held the forth mildot on her shoulder, wind was zip. For some reason she turned her head to look our way just as he shot, took a 168 J4 right between the eyes, exit back of skull between the ears. Amazing thing was the bullet did not hit her again, although she had swung her head towards us.

We also tried a double on another doe, my shot broke a fraction of a second before the other guy, we found his nicely mushroomed J4 lying in a divot in the dirt about 10' behind the dead deer. I used a 150 Interbond, nice small entry and about 1" exit but lots of inside damage. J4 exits are much larger at various ranges.
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Old 10-18-2003, 07:56 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

Ian

What happens when a J4 hits a shoulder?
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Old 10-18-2003, 08:50 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

Len,
I have not seen a shoulder hit yet with a J4, lots of ribs getting cut and blown apart. Interesting question, although I can tell you that there isn't much left of the back of the skull after the bullet hit between the eyes - even at 500 yards.

We are shooting .308's at 2700-2750 fps, velocities probably drop off pretty good out at the ranges we are hitting (500-550).
If we smack a few shoulders I will let you know.

I hit a couple with the Interbonds yesterday and they were very loose on the exit side, about a 1.5-2" hole but lots of bone and tissue damage. Have not recovered any Interbonds, they are punching through but cause a hell of a lot of internal damage. Might be about perfect for deer, very quick mushrooming and high weight retention - plus shooting extremely accurately for me.
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Old 10-18-2003, 09:44 PM
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Re: Question - how many guys use their mildots as hold-over points?

I was just going over this method with some guys at the club tonight - they were amazed how rapidly things can be killed (at our club, we only go to 600 yards, but they got the idea...).

This is a main benefit of the fast 30 cals and the R2 reticle - we've discussed this all before.

At my altitude, zeroed at 600, my current load "runs on the reticle" - on the tick marks - to 700 yards or so, 1000 is 10 minutes from 600 and 1300 is 20 minutes from 600 - all on the reticle.

Being able to simply range, holdover with the reticle and shoot to 1300 yards is just cool...
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