Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Hunting > Long Range Hunting & Shooting

Long Range Hunting & Shooting Nightforce Optics


Reply

Question about berger vld's

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-06-2009, 12:11 PM
Bronze Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Superior, WI
Posts: 65
Question about berger vld's

Why do my shots group better at 200 yards then 100 yards using these bullets, is it common for these to do this? Would it be better to test loads at 200 and 300 hundred yards to long range use?
__________________
312th Engineers
"GET IT ON!!"
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-06-2009, 02:27 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Central Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,023
Re: Question about berger vld's

I'll try and be as short with this explanation as possible. Boat tail bullets where specifically designed to fly longer and farther than flat base bullets. Here's the theory and there has been some proven factor to this. Flat base bullets will generally shoot more accurately at shorter distances than boat tails. Shorter distance is approximately 300-600 yards. Past that distance is where the boat tails tend to shine.

Flat base bullets will stabilize and fly truer in shorter amount of time. Sometimes a boat tail bullet requires more flight time to truly stabilize and follow a true accuracy node. Some shooters will zero at 200 yards just for this very reason. You are seeing a result of this theory. I'm sure others will chime in with their opinions and I am interested to see their explanations. What I have just explained was told to me by both a very aged shooter that is very knowledgeable and a gunsmith with just about the same amount of experience.

I hope this helps.
__________________
Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. [14] But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

If you find your self in a fair fight, your tactics suck!- Marine 1st Sergeant Jim Ryfinger

Friends don't let friends develop canonitis!-chucknbach

arguing over the internet is like the special Olympics....even if you win, you are still...special!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-06-2009, 02:31 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Blackfoot, Idaho
Posts: 8,064
Re: Question about berger vld's

10-4 on that.

It just takes 'em a little longer to "go to sleep".

I 'think" I'm learning that a fast twist will stabilize them a bit sooner. Though the jury is still out on that one......
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-06-2009, 02:43 PM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Truckee
Posts: 293
Re: Question about berger vld's

I seen 100 yard groups same as 600 yards with the vlds. It baffled me. I thought it had to do with the spin, didn't think much about the construction of the bullet.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-06-2009, 04:50 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Long Island, New York
Posts: 2,123
Re: Question about berger vld's

I assume that you mean that your groups measured in moa are smaller and not groups measured in inches. It is impossible for a group to actually be smaller at 200 yards then it is at 100 yards.

I guess someone may refute this. If so, I'd be very interested to hear the explanation for this phenomenon.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-06-2009, 06:52 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Alaska
Posts: 3,347
Re: Question about berger vld's

Quote:
Originally Posted by Varmint Hunter View Post
I assume that you mean that your groups measured in moa are smaller and not groups measured in inches. It is impossible for a group to actually be smaller at 200 yards then it is at 100 yards.

I guess someone may refute this. If so, I'd be very interested to hear the explanation for this phenomenon.
Agree. Better be talking smaller as expressed in MOA or I'm pushing the eject button.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-06-2009, 07:30 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The rifle range, or archery range or behind the computer in Alaska
Posts: 3,514
Re: Question about berger vld's

Some bullet/twist/velocity relationships lead to this "tighter MOA" at distance. Cant expalin it, just know it happens. To answer your question, yes, you should "test" your loads at the distances you wish to shoot them. 100 yards can be helpfull but isnt the end all nor the answer.

As far as inches smaller at distance versus closer ranges, it has happened to me with a load or two. I had one load that comes to mind that would shoot 1 MOA all day long out to 600 and yet concistently shoot sub 1/2 MOA at a full 1000. Go ahead, eject. Again, cant explain it. I am not a scientist just a shooter. The same rifle had loads that maintained the same MOA from 100 to 1K and others that maintained it to a given distance and then opend up dramatically past 800, yet others that got better with distance. IMHO its all in the bullet/twist/velocity relationship.
__________________
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (where the shot goes, how big the group is, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Question about berger vld's
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Old Berger 6.5 VLD's ovastafford Rifles, Bullets, Barrels and Ballistics 0 09-23-2010 12:51 AM
7MM RM and Berger VLD's gamehauler Reloading 12 02-14-2010 09:00 AM
berger 168 vld's anthony Reloading Equipment and Components 3 11-28-2008 09:36 AM
Berger VLD's Help!!!! Jess Reloading 15 08-03-2008 03:15 PM
Berger 6.5mm 140 VLD's Long Range Hunting & Shooting 1 04-23-2004 08:37 PM

Current Poll
Do you watch outdoor shows live or by recording them?
Always recorded - 13.19%
112 Votes
Mostly recorded - 24.03%
204 Votes
Sometimes recorded - 14.84%
126 Votes
Rarely or never recorded - 47.94%
407 Votes
Total Votes: 849
You may not vote on this poll.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC