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Re: Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????

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Eric has already warned us about modifying the tips through trimming etc and how doing so may produce negative performance issues so let's just give them time to work it all out under controlled and consistent conditions.
For once, we agree!
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    Better if everyone used their brains.

    Anyone can throw an idea out there even if they don't have the time to do all the testing. If it's a great idea there are people that will jump on it and try it out.


    Oh and on the Vaseline, that one was from John Barsness when he had trouble getting TSX to open up in dry newspaper. I had noticed the same thing when testing out that bullet. After reading John's article I put some in my TSX's and had them open up every time in dry news paper. IT WORKED!
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    Better if everyone used their brains.

    Anyone can throw an idea out there even if they don't have the time to do all the testing. If it's a great idea there are people that will jump on it and try it out.


    Oh and on the Vaseline, that one was from John Barsness when he had trouble getting TSX to open up in dry newspaper. I had noticed the same thing when testing out that bullet. After reading John's article I put some in my TSX's and had them open up every time in dry news paper. IT WORKED!
    I've done most of the mods you posted and it makes things get way to aggressive and less predictable than the bullet in it's OEM form. Silicone in the tip works well to initiate expansion as well.
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    Actually common sense tells us that anything you do to modify the shape of the bullet such as meplat trimming is going to affect the bullets flight characteristics making it inherently less accurate.
    Competitive target shooters do this very thing. If someone trims the meplat so that it's more consistent than it arrives from the factory, accuracy could be expected to increase.
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    Competitive target shooters do this very thing. If someone trims the meplat so that it's more consistent than it arrives from the factory, accuracy could be expected to increase.
    I'll instead go with the opinion of the guy who makes some of the finest VLD bullets in the world.

    You can't change the shape or weight of a bullet without changing it's BC and flight characteristics.
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    I'll instead go with the opinion of the guy who makes some of the finest VLD bullets in the world.

    You can't change the shape or weight of a bullet without changing it's BC and flight characteristics.
    It's a free world, and you're free to be wrong. You should preach only what you know for a fact, and stop bluffing.

    I challenge you to locate and provide us with a reference for any quote from either Eric Stecker or Bryan Litz stating that Meplat uniforming will make their bullets (Berger) less accurate.
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    It's a free world, and you're free to be wrong. You should preach only what you know for a fact, and stop bluffing.

    I challenge you to locate and provide us with a reference for any quote from either Eric Stecker or Bryan Litz stating that Meplat uniforming will make their bullets (Berger) less accurate.
    I'm not wrong. You change any variable in the calculation for determning BC and you change the BC and flight characteristics of the bullet. That of course ioncludes changing the mass, shape, or length.



    where:
    • BCPhysics = ballistic coefficient as used in physics and engineering
    • M = mass
    • A = cross-sectional area
    • Cd = drag coefficient
    • ρ (rho) = average density
    • l = body length


    Eric specifically addressed terminal performance with respect to meplat trimming in cautioning against dong so but did not mention the rest.

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