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Old 12-18-2012, 09:56 PM
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Re: Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????

Between me and my two friends, we shot 3 muledeer and 3 elk in colorado this year at ranges: 260,330,420,460,530,and 860. Then at home we killed 3 whitetail at ranges:570,730,and 1015. Every animal shot dropped in their tracks except the 1015 yd whitetail. Poor shot placement being the cause. Low and back was first hit. Second hit behind shoulders and 10yd distance traveled after that. We all three shoot 7mm RUM with 180 bergers. We didn't have a single instance where the bullets didn't expand. We did have exit holes on all three whitetails. But none of the colorado animals. The 1015 yd whitetails exit holes werent that large,probably 1 inch, but the bloodshot and overall performance was very good. I do have some picts on my phone, but not sure how to get them onto this forum. I'll try to get back with those.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:57 PM
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Re: Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????

210s work for me no problems and friends 4 Roosevelt elk 1 mule deer buck and 2 blacktail bucks
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:12 AM
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i am new to reloading but they just leave a slight ring on the bergers not all of them. none that ever have a burr just seen the ring mentioned and thought id comment so i dont hinder bullet performance
Kakorb,

Phorwath's suggestion is a good one. For other's reading this thread I'll relay that this ring is the result of a difference in the angle of the seating stem cone and the bullet ogive (nose). This difference in angle results in contact at a very thin point (which causes the ring) rather than on a flat. The tighter your neck tension the more pronounced the ring will be.

This ring should not impact performance. For those who want to get rid of the ring Phorwath's solution will work. Alternatively, Redding has introduced a line of "VLD" seater stems that fit into their existing dies. The cone angle in these stems were shaped using our VLD bullets. This results in contact over a wide band rather than a thin point (ring).

All,

I am still following this thread to respond when I believe I can be helpful. Our testing will take time but we will continue to work on this situation until we can sort out why these things occur even if they occur infrequently.

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Old 12-22-2012, 10:22 AM
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Re: Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????

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Kakorb,
All,

I am still following this thread to respond when I believe I can be helpful. Our testing will take time but we will continue to work on this situation until we can sort out why these things occur even if they occur infrequently.

Regards,
Eric
Hi Eric,
Just to give support, I think you offer an excellent product. I have great result in three different calibers with multiple bullets. Just a little FYI, the 168 30cal Hybrid does very well on Whitetail.

Tank
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Old 12-22-2012, 10:56 AM
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i checked my 7mm08 loaded shells four you could not put a pin in the hollow point one would with pressure and five did easily. loaded some for my stw and out of six bullets three werent hollow. i loaded the three good ones and and rechecked my press did not close them. i noticed the tips are not uniform on alot of them.
yea thats just the nature of bullet swagging, unfortunately the only thing you can do about it is to uniform the meplat and re/point if you want, but the all bets are off as to how that bullet will perform. somebody had a link I believe for a tool that would (countersink for lack of better term) the meplat, but there again all bets are off until YOU get it perfected. Bullet manufactures don't do this, obvious reason to me is because it adds 2 more steps to the process and increases cost by possibly prohibitive amounts.

Checking the opening, not sure if it will help or not, I'm doing it though, keep 50 or so set aside for hunting only and practice with the rest, I set next to the missus watching tv the other day doing that.
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Re: Pics of Berger Bullets NOT Performing????

so i shot my wifes browing xbolt 7mm08 into a box with osb and magazines at 75 yards. about 2inchs of wood before magazines then some osb and more magazines. one with the hollow point plugged penetrated 8 inches with a 1 to 2 inch expanded hole. only fragments found. one with an open hollow point penetrated the same with slightly more wound channel. i sent three more with points closed and grouped all five in .5 hole. and yes i changes magazines so i could see different performance. all bullets expanded and only fragments found. would i use bergers on game. yes unless i experince multiple failures on game all bullets expanded exactly how advertised. superb accuracy with a load i havent even tried to fine tune with seating dept and diff powders. i believe on a whitetail or any game there would be more penetration and much larger wound channel. just my .02 cents
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so i shot my wifes browing xbolt 7mm08 into a box with osb and magazines at 75 yards. about 2inchs of wood before magazines then some osb and more magazines. one with the hollow point plugged penetrated 8 inches with a 1 to 2 inch expanded hole. only fragments found. one with an open hollow point penetrated the same with slightly more wound channel. i sent three more with points closed and grouped all five in .5 hole. and yes i changes magazines so i could see different performance. all bullets expanded and only fragments found. would i use bergers on game. yes unless i experince multiple failures on game all bullets expanded exactly how advertised. superb accuracy with a load i havent even tried to fine tune with seating dept and diff powders. i believe on a whitetail or any game there would be more penetration and much larger wound channel. just my .02 cents
Good test and fine report.!! This is good proof for all. 8" of penetration from a 7-08 in that hard of material is pretty good in my book.

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