Originally Posted by bullridety
So Broz, now your calling me a liar and saying i didnt shoot an elk with this bullet? .
No, not at all. Lets read again what I said. Here it is again copied and pasted.
"Even though I have never had an issue with over 100 kills I was open minded. But you guys talking trash has discredited your own stories
. This is why I want to see for myself. I am still willing to believe you, but am asking to see your proof
. Not just a couple bullets that are tarnished and look like they were dug out of a dirt bank after they laid there long enough to corrode
. Many of us that have had great success with Bergers and have posted pics of the animals, wound channels, destroyed vitals etc. So why would you not want to support your experiences with your video's ?"
Now where did I call anyone a Liar. I just asked to see the videos as proof. I feel when you started talking the trash you needed to supply it just like we all do with successful results. I have dug up many bullets and also recovered many from animals. The only ones that looked like yours are ones I have dug out of dirt that were subsonic. This does not mean I am calling you a liar, it only means I have never recovered a bullet from an animal that looked like yours. So I asked for proof to what you two were saying to support your field experiences. Plus since they do look like the subsonic bullets I recovered isn't that data that could be useful?
If you read this as me calling you a liar, I apologize. But if you want to come on here and talk like you did in the later posts, and make claims, then I think you surely realize you need to answer questions. I think that goes for you two and anyone else.
I have done quite a bit of testing and I feel I have something to bring to the table and possibly help you figure out your problems. But if you would rather I didn't post on your thread that is fine I will stop. It seemed to me at the first of this thread you were wanting help figuring out the problem. Is that wrong?
Also you posted this earlier.
"Ya that is interesting why the 215's are so much better than the 210's hmmm????"
I have had great success with both the 210's and the 215's but they are not even close to the same bullet. There is a lot more to consider than 5 gr of weight. That is why I was testing them. The 5 gr of weight is almost nothing, but the other differences sure do make them perform differently. But I won't go into that in this thread as it was not about a 30 cal VLD's or Hybrids anyway.
So was that post of yours above a crack at me for using them, posting my results and liking them? I guess if you felt I was calling you a Liar maybe I should feel that you took a shot at me?
Anyway it is up to you if you do not want my help. Your call as this is your thread.
Oh and by the way. When we talk about bullet tumbling it would be after it was in the elk. A bullet that does not expand will often tumble, and often go off path. I have seen it many times with other brands of less expansive bullets at long range.