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Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

 
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Old 02-14-2009, 09:58 PM
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Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

Hey guys!

I THOUGHT I had made my decision and was settled on a Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x50 with NP-R2 reticle and Zero-Stop. But today I ran into a Leupold rep while I was shopping at Cabelas and he got me thinking about the Mark 4s again- specifically, the Mark 4 4.5-14x50 M1 with illuminated TMR reticle!

I love the Nightforce scope (expecially the Zero-Stop feature) but the Leupold is about $450 cheaper- I found it on "www.rifle-scope-store.com for under $1200. That's a whole lot of 'scratch' to save and I could put the money into some reloading gear. I'm just not sure if the Zero-Stop feature and the improved glass is truly worth the money. Do y'all think that there's a significant, noticeable and practical difference between the two scopes- in terms of extreme low-light capability, ability to have the illuminated reticle barely lit, target clarity out to 800 yards and in terms of one reticle being better than the other for LR shooting? What percentage of improvement do you think the Nightforce would have over the Leupold Mark 4- 10%? 20%? 30%?

I don't mind spending the extra money for the Nightforce IF I'm going to see a marked improvement in low-light capability and if the Nightforce will make it easier to be accurate out to around 800 yards; BUT, I don't want to spend the extra money just because Nightforce is 'the latest-greatest' winner of the popularity contest. That's a BIG price difference!

One of the things I REALLY like about the Mark 4 is its compact size and light weight! It's a full 2 inches shorter than the Nightforce and a HALF-POUND lighter! Whether it's a mountain elk hunt or a south Texas hog hunt in brush country- riding a long gun or a SPR AR15- shorter and lighter is awfully nice.

I will be using the scope I buy for BOTH LR hunting and traditional distance hunting; but it's unlikely that I will be doing any extreme long range shooting in the forseeable future. None of my hunting opportunities offer me shot opportunities over 800 yards and most of them are 600 or less. I will, however, be using the scope extensively for extreme low-light shooting- including hog hunting by moonlight, without the use of any spotlights. So, light transmission is a big issue for me in picking a scope. Since I just can't afford 2 scopes right now, and it's going to be a WHILE before buying a second scope is an option, I'm looking to y'all for some practical advice on which scope to buy.

I'd sure like to hear y'all's suggestions on which scope would be the better option, for the money, for me and my purposes!

Thanks so much!

Nick
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:43 PM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

Nick,

I am a huge fan of the Mark 4. I believe it is a fine piece of glass for the application you speak of. I have 2, and both are fantastic. I regular shoot out to 600-800 yards with my Mark 4 8.5-20 50mm. The adjustments are crisp, and I have had no issues with the reticles or being on adjustment.

I use one on a 7MM Sendero, and the other on a 300 WM.

Good luck!
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Old 02-14-2009, 10:45 PM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

I am the wrong guy to ask. I love them both and use them both.

$$ and weight no object, I will go with the NXS every time. $$ and weight an object, I go for the Mk4.

Hope that helps!
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Old 02-14-2009, 11:12 PM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

I love my 4.5-14 X 50 LR. I had the TMR reticle and tall turret put on. I may consider a NXS but they are a big peice of equipment and carry a big price. One thing to consider that I believe NF has over Leupold is the TMR is a MIL reticle with MOA turrets. the NF has a MOA reticle and MOA turrets. less math for simple folk like me is a good thing.
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Old 02-15-2009, 02:23 AM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

Bowhunter, lets get back to apples and apples. The NSX 3.5x15x50 goes about $1425 w/o the zero stop. the Mark 4 is $450 than the zero stop scope, not the w/o zero stop. The Mark 4 is a good scope. I think the NSX is better and that's not meant to knock the Leupy. there is no doubt in my mind that the NF is tougher and I also believe it has a better, simpler retcle. The question is, is it worth the diff in $$$ to you?
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Old 02-15-2009, 03:01 AM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

I know that i am new to this forum but i am not new to long range shooting.

I have used both of these scopes and they are both high quality!

If money is an issue then go with the lupy..If not then go with the nxs.

I personally give the edge to the nightforce.But thats just my personal prefferance.
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Old 02-15-2009, 05:22 AM
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Re: Nightforce or Mark 4? PLEASE help me decide!

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I love my 4.5-14 X 50 LR. I had the TMR reticle and tall turret put on. I may consider a NXS but they are a big peice of equipment and carry a big price. One thing to consider that I believe NF has over Leupold is the TMR is a MIL reticle with MOA turrets. the NF has a MOA reticle and MOA turrets. less math for simple folk like me is a good thing.
THat is a excellent point.

There would be no way I would buy a scope with a mill reticle and yet 1/4 moa click values ? Is that right ? I'm sure the TMR reticle is mil radium ?

Both good scopes. Have used both but just like the big NF better.

By the way why wouldn't you be buying the 56 mm front for better light transmission ? It is the undisputed king in that dept .

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