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Old 05-22-2008, 12:45 PM
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Newby with 300 WSM

Howdy All,

I'm a newby here and glad I found this site. I have always hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and this year I just picked up a SAKO 85 Finnlight in 300 WSM. The Finnlight probably isn't the best rifle choice for long range hunting but I think with a well developed load I should probably able to get sub .5 MOA out of it. I know someone who is shooting their Model 75 300 WSM at sub 1/2 inch at 200 yds with factory ammo.

I'm going to put a NF 5x22x50 on it. I'm looking at two or three bullets. The primary two are 168 gr TTSX and 180 gr E-Tip, both very new bullets on the market with some good reviews. I plan on using H4350 because it's a temp stable powder and I've heard (locally) and read in different forums that it is a real good 300 WSM powder. I'm hopping to get 3100-3200 fps out of the 168's and 3000-3050 fps out of the 180's. I also would eventually like to develop a load for 130 gr TTSX's.

I hope to be able to develop the ability to make consistant accurate shots out to 1000 yds with this rifle within a couple of years. The bullets I'm using will not expand beyond 750-850 yds although I think they would punch through the boiler room of an elk? Any comments on that?

So I was wondering if anyone here has a similar outfit and what their experiences are?

Or any comments at all from long range shooters in general?

I certainly welcome advice and tips for this goal of mine.

Thanks in advance,

Mark
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:35 PM
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Sorry brother, can't help you with the 300 short loads. I have experience with the 300 wm and think you made a good choice with the cartridge selection. As far as the rifle is concerned, if you can hit with it then it is a good choice. A light rifle is just harder to keep steady, but that is my opinion and they vary.
As far as the bullets are concerned, if you know they will not reliably expand at the velocities they will arrive on target then you're asking for trouble. Would you shoot an elk or deer with a FMJ? Because a bullet that doesn't expand will basically be one. You might get lucky and hit a bone but even then the damage might not be enough to kill. Even if it does kill, that could be a slow death. Have you ever shot a deer and it didn't leave much of a blood trail to find? It happens. Imagine trying to find a blood trail of an animal that maybe barely bleeding and you have to pin point his exact location from 1000yards. Even if you do, he might not die! Then you have an animal with over half a mile lead on you. You see where I'm going with this I hope. The possibilities are endless...oh my.
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:46 PM
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Hi MR

I have an 85 stn/syn in .300 WSM and bought it for longranging as well as shorter conventional stuff.

I have a NXS 3.5-15 x 50 on board and I have just developed a load with 180 grn BT's with 68 grns of RL22 behind.

The good news is it groups sub half no problems. The bad news is I chrono'd the load and disappointingly the reading was 2800 fps. The load is .3 of a grn below max. I have no problem with going over a grn or two but not much more than that.

Mine didn't shoot with 165 grn bullets (was getting about 1 to 1.5" group).

I am going to use N560 next to squeeze sum extra juice out of it as I would like to get over 2900 feet - ideally around 3000. I know that 100 feet is neither here or there but I may have well gone with a .30-06 if I was happy with that vel. Not that there is anything wrong with .30-06 - great cartridge - it's just that I want some more out of the short mag.

Have you got any data for 4350? What velocities does the data say you can obtain with a 180 grn bullet?

Thanks and regards

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Old 05-22-2008, 05:13 PM
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Bravo 4, I hear ya... a non expanding bullet is definitely not ideal, but a hole through the lungs would kill an animal, question is how quick? So I guess I am wndering if anyone had any experience on that? From some posts I've read and video I've seen it sounds like some game has been taken well with bullets that may not have expanded. If not a good idea, I'll just have to settle for less than 900 yd shots, which is still plenty.

Thanks for the input

Jon2, I know a guy here who is getting 3000 fps using H4350 and 165 TSX's and making one hole groups. Not sure how much powder he's using but less than max. He was more interested in accuracy than speed but he did want 3000 fps. Not sure how long his barrel is either. for H4350 you can expect max to be around 64.5 - 65.5 for 165/168's and a couple grs less for 180's, from what I've read. I plan to start at 61 for the 168's and 59 for the 180's. On the Nosler site they are showing over 3000 fps for the 180 bullets, including RL 22. Fed is showing 2980 for 180 gr bullets which is about what Hodgdon is showing. Nosler had no data for H4350 when I called. Neither did Barnes, which I find interesting, because H4350 seems to be the most popular choice for 300 WSM loaders. Go figure. I think Barnes said something about it being compresed but 65 gr shouldn't be very compressed.

Thanks also for the input, hope you find some good velocity, you should be able to get more, have you checked your chrono?
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I have a Tikka T3 lite 300 wsm and I am getting good results using BR2 primers, win brass, H4350 and Nosler AB's 180's. I feel the 180 is about the best weight for the wsm long range and the AB gives you a good wide variety of penetration, performance and fairly high bc. My current load is getting 2915 at muzzle
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:29 AM
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What are you putting behind your 180's to get over the 2900 feet mark? I mean how many grains of 4350?

Thanks

JB
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:32 AM
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[quote=MontanaRifleman;208191]Bravo 4, I hear ya... a non expanding bullet is definitely not ideal, but a hole through the lungs would kill an animal, question is how quick? So I guess I am wndering if anyone had any experience on that? From some posts I've read and video I've seen it sounds like some game has been taken well with bullets that may not have expanded. If not a good idea, I'll just have to settle for less than 900 yd shots, which is still plenty.

MR, I looked at some numbers and it looks like your E Tip with a listed bc of .523 from Nosler traveling @ 2950 fps would be about 1562 fps with 947 fpe @ 900 yards. I'm not sure what velocity the e tip needs to expand reliably. I have tried some in my 300 saum M7 but accuracy wasn't there. I'm currently shooting 180 tsx @ 2850fps using H4350. I can't get the velocity you get with the WSM 300. However, I did get my new 300 Ultra Mag back from Shawn Carlock today and I will be firing it for the first time on Saturday. I'll try the E tips again since I'm in a lead ban area and see what happens.

Good luck, Mike
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