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Old 12-18-2009, 09:23 AM
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Newb Question, Right Direction?

Hey All!

First off, I have been looking for a website like this forever. It is the first one where I have found that newbies are not flamed for their questions.

I've been doing a lot of searching on a good hunting rifle that is good to reach out and 'touch' and elk/moose at about 800 yards. From what I have been able to read, 300 is the most recommended. But I read an thread that talked about 338-300. Is this another way of just saying .338?

I've been bouncing back and forth between a 300 WM, 338 WM and 338 RUM for my Alaska rifle. I'm not going to be putting 1000s of rounds a year and shot groups of 1 inch is not too important to me, right now at least. But I would like to be able to take down a moose from 800-1000 yards away.

I've been leaning toward the lighter weight rifles. This is just because I will be in the Alaskan back country. What is the opinion on the Savage Weather Warrior 116FHSAK or Rem 700 XCR? I'm a Leupy junky. I was planning on getting the Mark 4 8.5-25x500mm LR/T w/illum mil dot reticles.

Later down the road I would like to get a nice LR heavy rifle, maybe Savage model 12 varmint low-profile in a 300 WSM.

Am I on the right track? Any suggestions and/or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Also, anyone in the MD area that would like to become a 'mentor'?

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Old 12-18-2009, 10:13 AM
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Re: Newb Question, Right Direction?

Fitz. Welcome, glad to have you here. Headsup you may want to edit your second sentence which reads as follows: It is the first one where I have found that newbies are flamed for their questions.

The 338-300 is a 300 RUM case necked up to 338 which gives a little more case capacity as the 300 RUM case is actually a little longer than the 338 RUM. It's commonly reffered to as the EDGE on LRH.

I'm sure others will offer opinions on caliber for moose at 800-1000 yards but IMHO a 300WM wouldn't be my choice...I'd prefer something with a little more HP and in a heavier rig.

Again, welcome aboard.
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Old 12-18-2009, 11:52 AM
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Hey All!

I've been bouncing back and forth between a 300 WM, 338 WM and 338 RUM for my Alaska rifle. I'm not going to be putting 1000s of rounds a year and shot groups of 1 inch is not too important to me, right now at least. But I would like to be able to take down a moose from 800-1000 yards away.

What is the opinion on the Savage Weather Warrior 116FHSAK or Rem 700 XCR?

Later down the road I would like to get a nice LR heavy rifle, maybe Savage model 12 varmint low-profile in a 300 WSM.

Am I on the right track? Any suggestions and/or opinions would be greatly appreciated.
For starters, welcome to LRH. This is a sport where you should be dedicated to your gun and make it the best shooter possible. With that said, you mentioned wanting to shoot to 800 to 1000 yards on moose and elk.

You said a 1 inch group or less is not that important. For these distances group size is very important. 2 inches at 100yrds is 20 inches at 1000. Because you are shooting 2" at 100yrds means there is something wrong with the rifle, the load, or shooting technique. This will result in groups that may vary from 20" to 48" at 100yrds. You will find that most on this sight including myself try to keep our group sizes at 1" or less for long range hunting. Your ability to maintain consistency in your shooting is vital to making that one shot hit at 1000 yards.

Most here strive for a 1/2 inch group to better your chances at hitting the vitals. Another factor is practicing at the ranges you would like to hunt. You need to shoot and shoot some more to make sure that you are very capable of repeating your accuracy.

Of the three you listed the 338 RUM would be my choice. It will out perform the other two, to 1000yrds. Now if you are wanting to keep it with in 800yrds then any of the three would work. Another caliber to consider would be the 300 RUM. Using a 208 A-Max or 210 SMK, Berger, or JLK at 3200fps will get you to 1000 and beyond. If you were to hand load the 300 WM you would be able to take an elk at about 4000 plus elevation with a 200grn bullet and heavier at 1000yrds.

As far as your choice in the Savage? I support it 100%. I own 2 Savages and I plan on purchasing more in the future. I currently own a 300WSM in the Low Profile Mod 12. It is a solid rifle and a very good shooter. This rifle is very capable of taking deer size game out to 1000yrds with my current loads. However for elk and moose I would limit myself to around 800yrds. This rifle is very capable of taking any game in North America.

You are on the right track, but make sure your groupings are at 1" or less for those long shots. The Leupy sounds like a winner.

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:06 PM
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Re: Newb Question, Right Direction?

Sweet, thanks for the advice!

Is it likely to get 1 MOA off say a Rem 700 338 WM? I know it has a lot smaller barrel diameter and I'm not too sure how that effects the shot placement at long range.
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Hey All!

First off, I have been looking for a website like this forever. It is the first one where I have found that newbies are flamed for their questions.

Howdy Fritz and welcome to LRH,

I assume what you meant to say is..."not flamed..." and that's why you're here

I agree with everything that's already been said. To sum it up, you wnat to get the most out of your rilfe you can in both accuracy and velocity but accuracy is most important. IMO, If you want to shoot to 1000 yds you should strive for .5 MOA or better out to 300-400 yds, i.e. 2" groups @ 400 yds. Once you start getting past 600 yds a lot of things start to affect your POI in a big way.

On cartridges, IMO, the 300 WM, 300 WSM, 338 WM are all 800-900 yds hunting cartridges with most buulets and loads. A 1000 yds would be stretching the limits of bullets performance, especially on a lrge bodied animal like a moose. So for no kidding 1K shooting and beyond I think you should be looking at larger cartridges in the RUMs, etc. A 300 WSM is a great cartridge and will give you lots of shooting before burning up a barrel. It would probably be a very good starter cartridge because you will probably do a lot of shooting in load development and learning LR. But you will be on the edge of bullet performance for 800 yd moose. Under the right conditions I would use it to 800-900 yds on elk which are usually found at higher elevations and higher elevation will extend a bullets range.

The choice of rifles is yours. Some are better out of the box than others. I dont have any experience with the Savages but have read a lot of good things about them. I like Senderos and I have two of them, and any builds I might do would probably duplicate them. Vanguard Sub MOA rifles are also another good choice for an out of the box shooter. Light rifles can shoot well but are more susceptible to whip and and temp conditions. Heavier barrels will on average shoot more consistantly. A custum buillt rifle would b e the way to go for a lighter weight rifle. I'm sure there are probably a few factory rifles that can shoot out to 1K with a light barrel, but IMO, it would be a roll of the dice to get one.

One rule to remember in LR is.... BC and velocity are your friend, and in that order.

Cheers and good shooting,

Mark
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:25 PM
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Sweet, thanks for the advice!

Is it likely to get 1 MOA off say a Rem 700 338 WM? I know it has a lot smaller barrel diameter and I'm not too sure how that effects the shot placement at long range.
The quality of your rifle is more important than the cal or cartridge for accuracy, althought there are a few cartridges that seem to shoot better than others. An out of the box Rem is likely to get you about .75-1.5 MOA. The Senderos will do much better. A 338 WM will give you a long barrel life too, as long as you dont shoot it hot, meaning dont make your loads hot and let your barrel cool between shots. The 338 WM will last a long time.
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Old 12-18-2009, 01:33 PM
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The quality of your rifle is more important than the cal or cartridge for accuracy, althought there are a few cartridges that seem to shoot better than others. An out of the box Rem is likely to get you about .75-1.5 MOA. The Senderos will do much better. A 338 WM will give you a long barrel life too, as long as you dont shoot it hot, meaning dont make your loads hot and let your barrel cool between shots. The 338 WM will last a long time.
I was looking at the Sendero SF II, but they didn't make it in the 338WM. I was also looking at Vanguard Sub-MOA 338. Have you had a chance to shoot one of them?

Is a hot load one that uses the max powder?
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