Originally Posted by Jurgens
Thanks for the reply wildrose, I really apreciate it. Can you please assist me with a few more questions?
About 50% of the shooting will be done from the bench, 40% prone and 10% from shooting sticks.
So the stocks you would look at is the B & C tactical medalist 4 or the HS pro series 2000 Sendero Varmint A1 Tactical. The Manners and McMillan is above my budget at this stage. I wish there was so many second hand rifle components availible here in SA. If it was I would have picked up a previously loved McMillan or Manners and a BDL assembly.
My next rifle is going to be a 6.5mm or a 7mm whitch will be exlusively for long range shooting/Hunting. I am leaning towards a 6.5mm in either a .260Rem or the 6.5-06 or even the 6.5x55 mauser. My dad has a 7x57mauser, 7x64Breneke (almost the same as a .280 Rem) and a 7mmRemMag and I am going to inheret them all. The one 7mm I am really liking is the .280 Rem AI.
So for now I am going to stick to the .243Win to full the gap between the .223 and .30-06 ( End of next year the 6.5mm will be there as well). I see on the Berger site that a 8 twist is recomended for the 105gr bullets. Will the 8 twist work for the 80gr TTSX? I have no experiance with the Berger bullets, I have heard that they are deadley, but how is the neat damage if one shoot a chest shot? Is the penetrasion good?
Between the B&C and H-S you will find the overall quality better with the HS's usually. You might consider shopping the claissified section here at LRH as well as over at Sniper's hide for stocks. You can occasionally find some very good deals that save you months of waiting time. Also with them being 2nd hand purchases from individuals you may get around the VAT on imports as well. You'd have to look into that.
Currently I have 4 H-S stocks and I'm very happy with all of them. That includes both the regular sendero and varmint sendero models.
As far as the twist rates, you cannot over spin a bullet and destabilize it, but you can certainly never stabilize one if you lack enough twist.
Remember stabilization comes from RPM and RPM is a function of both speed and twist rate which is why you see higher twist rates recommended for some than others even in the same diameter bullets.
For me, of the .264's only three are worth consisering. The .264WM, Highest velocities of all the standard 6.5's, followed by the 6.5x284, and then the .260. You're really talking abou less than 300fps difference between them all and the .260 is just a great all around cartridge in that caliber. At least over here components are very reasonable and easy to come up with and of course you can get Lapua Brass in .260 or just neck down .308 brass for it.
For the plains game, even up to the size of Gemsbok I'd not hesitate with the .260 out to 600yds.
Now I'm not as hooked on the berger's as many are as a hunting bullet. They are specifically designed for long range use so as long as you are using them for that purpose they are fine, but I'd not want to use them where impact velocities can exceed 2,200fps for fear of bullet breakup and not enough penetration.
Personally I think the best overall hunting/LR bullett out to 1,000 yds would be the Swift Sirocco, and for high velocity impacts over 2,200fps I flat love the hornady Interlock. Both come in very high BC bullets for their calibers. I've had very good performance out of both from the .260 and .300 Rum on everything from rocks to coyotes and bobcats to large boar and deer. I've also had similar results with them in the 7mm mag and 7mm STW (my favorite all around rifle).
I must say though that the more I shoot the Siroccos the better I like them. I just don't have more than a decade of using them like I do with the interbond.
Back to the stocks. The one consistent complaint I hear about the B&C is that they usually require some additional inletting to get a good fit while the H-S's typically need nothing but a good bedding and floating.
I'm personally tearing myself up trying to decide on whther to save my money for an extra six months or year for a Mc or to just go with another H-S on my current 7mm STW project. Whichever way I go I'll end up happy in the end.
For your purposes the fully adjustable A-5 may well be the way to go since 90% will be bench or prone shooting. The tactical/varmint models would be the next including the M24 clones. If you like the thumbhole type stock they also make the M24TH model.
I would suggest at least going with an adjustable cheek piece if not a fully adjustable stock.
Best of luck to you.