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Old 03-06-2012, 04:56 PM
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Re: New and need educated????

Yes the 270wsm or weatherby shooting 165 matrix vlds can be a good combo, but I have yet to see any 25 or 27 calibers set the world on fire or any simple records for that's matter, not many use them because of the lack of bullet selection. If your punching paper inside of 800 yards just keep playing with your 308, try some 185 hybrid OTMs with RE15, at 308 velocities most 168 grain bullets are dead in the water after 600yrds, the new .519bc 168 OTM does look promising though.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:23 PM
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rscott5028,
I have handloads for the 308 right now in 168 grain with 4064 that will put yer eye out at a good distance. Haven't tried the 175 grainers yet. Maybe I just need to get a good scope for that rifle.
Spend your money on a 20MOA picatinny rail and a good scope.

You can always use these on a new rifle down the road.

You will be amazed what that 308 can do with a little practice and the right optics/ballistics solution.

-- richard
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:37 PM
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I have been lurking for two years and am interested in a less expensive long range rifle for my son for his graduation from college. I have a 308 Remington laminated stock with 26 inch heavy barrel which would make a good platform to start with. However, it seems the rage is 6.5 mm. I have looked at the new Savage long range hunter in 6.5 x 284 and 6.5 Creedmoor. However, after pouring over ballistic tables I can't see where these beat the 260 Rem, 270 Win., 280 Rem, and 7mm-08 by anything if at all. I think I would like the Savage long range hunter if they made it in 7mm-08 because of cheaper brass, selection of bullets, etc. It seems like you could put all of these rounds in a hat and shake it up and pick one out and it is as good as the rest. Please educate me a little.

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Welcome to the forum.
I will have to disagree with your comment about the 6,5x284. While the other cartridges are excellent rounds and I wouldn't discourage you from giftng any of them to your son, the 6,5x284 ballistically, at long range will exceed all of them by 200-300 yards of effective hunting range if the comparisons are made with hand loaded ammo. IMHO.
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Old 03-06-2012, 08:54 PM
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Re: New and need educated????

Greyfox, can you explain a little? If you are shooting bullets with relatively the same BC at the same speeds how does the 6.5 x 284 outdo them by 200-300 yards?
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:30 PM
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243win 105 vld .532bc 3100fps, 260rem 139 lapua .617bc 2850fps, 7mm-08 .617bc 168 vld 2650fps, 280rem .617bc 168vld 2875fps, 270win .65bc matrix 2800fps, 308win .481bc 155 OTM 3000fps, 6.5x284 .617bc 139 lapua 3000fps. All based on 24" barrels, you run the ballistics, the 6.5x284 comes in first with the 270 and 280 almosted tied for second.
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Old 03-06-2012, 09:57 PM
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Greyfox, can you explain a little? If you are shooting bullets with relatively the same BC at the same speeds how does the 6.5 x 284 outdo them by 200-300 yards?
Sure. You are not shooting same BC/same velocity. Make sure that you are not comparing factory load data. The 6,5x284 is not represented to it's potential with any factory load, as is probably true of the others as well. For LR work you need to look at the VLD comparisons. The bullets with close BC's are too heavy to drive at the same velocities as the 6.5.x284. The case size of the 6.5x284 is about the same as the 280 and 270. It takes 168gr in a 280 to match the BC of a 6,5 in 140gr. It's physics. Forget the 260/7mm08., no chance. The Ack's and Short Mags can do it. I wish these calibers would deliver the same ballistics. I have all of them. We haven't even discussed inherent accuracy, in which the 6,5x284 leads the pack at LR. Of the rifles you spoke of, IMHO, the Savage LRH would make the most effective 1000 yard shooter. I have this rifle and it is absolutely deadly on deer out to at least 1000 yards.
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Old 03-06-2012, 11:08 PM
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Re: New and need educated????

If it is for punching paper, I would go with one of the .308 short action cartridges(243, 260, 7-08, 308). If you don't hand load you gotta go with a 308. Of these 260 would be my choice if you hand load. Better yet a 6mm BR with an 8 twist, that's what I'm building for a long range practice rig.

If it's for hunting I would have to know what you were gonna hunt to make a call there.
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