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Unread 09-09-2008, 10:50 AM
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Re: which new caliber for 13 yr old

I would go with the 7mm-08. Great bullet selection, readily available factory ammo, and plenty mild so as not to intimidate a young shooter. With all due respect the .243 and 7mm-08 are not even remotely close when it comes to big game capability, the only thing they share is a parent cartridge.
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I would go with the 7mm-08. Great bullet selection, readily available factory ammo, and plenty mild so as not to intimidate a young shooter. With all due respect the .243 and 7mm-08 are not even remotely close when it comes to big game capability, the only thing they share is a parent cartridge.

I've seen Elk killed with both 7-08 and .243. They are both underpowered as an elk cartridge. I've killed several dozen big game animals and I could take either cartridge and kill an elk out to 250 yards or further. BUT, I would not allow a beginner to carry either one after Elk. Thats just me. A .243 loaded near max with a 95gr Nosler will give you around 1900ft lbs, a 7-08 loaded up with 140 gr bullets will give you around 500 more ft lbs. I would agree that the 7-08 is more capable, but it is still wanting in the big-game category when you are talking about Elk sized game.

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I've seen Elk killed with both 7-08 and .243. They are both underpowered as an elk cartridge. I've killed several dozen big game animals and I could take either cartridge and kill an elk out to 250 yards or further. BUT, I would not allow a beginner to carry either one after Elk. Thats just me. A .243 loaded near max with a 95gr Nosler will give you around 1900ft lbs, a 7-08 loaded up with 140 gr bullets will give you around 500 more ft lbs. I would agree that the 7-08 is more capable, but it is still wanting in the big-game category when you are talking about Elk sized game.

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Game animals have been taken with all many of weaponry over the years some very misguided. The 7mm-08 with a good hand loaded 160 partition and ranges kept under 200yds. would be a better combo than any .243 load imho.
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Game animals have been taken with all many of weaponry over the years some very misguided. The 7mm-08 with a good hand loaded 160 partition and ranges kept under 200yds. would be a better combo than any .243 load imho.
I agree totally, that still does not make the 7-08 a good option as an elk rifle.

Especially for a young hunter:
1) That has not hunted out west to judge distance.
2) That is not 'a good hand' yet.
3) That already has a .243 (which is essentially in the same power category).
4) Has not seen tons of elk to gauge their distance, be calm etc.

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I agree totally, that still does not make the 7-08 a good option as an elk rifle.

Especially for a young hunter:
1) That has not hunted out west to judge distance.
2) That is not 'a good hand' yet.
3) That already has a .243 (which is essentially in the same power category).
4) Has not seen tons of elk to gauge their distance, be calm etc.

AJ
I disagree with almost all of your premises. First of all he shouldn't be alone. he needs to be proficient with whatever he uses, and the .243 is not in the same class 500ft.lbs is a HUGE difference and btw KE is a terrible judge of killing power. 200yds and under the 7mm-08 combo would be lethal to any elk.
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I disagree with almost all of your premises. First of all he shouldn't be alone. he needs to be proficient with whatever he uses, and the .243 is not in the same class 500ft.lbs is a HUGE difference and btw KE is a terrible judge of killing power. 200yds and under the 7mm-08 combo would be lethal to any elk.

OK, I give. A 7mm-08 is a great Elk cartridge, as long as he is not alone, is proficient, takes only perfect shots. I also agree that KE is a horrible determiner of killing power. What would you like to use? Taylor's knockout formula? Whatever you use, you will find that when looking at all possible cartridges, the .243 and 7mm-08 are NOT far apart.

I have one question, have you ever seen a large bull hit in the shoulder bone with something the size of a 7mm-08? I have. Actually, it was a .280 Rem, which is considerably heavier than a 7mm-08. After 2 days of looking, the hunter found the 5x6 bull dead in the cedars. It was an 'almost perfect shot' except it happened to hit the shoulder bone.

I'm done here, BigBoreDan can answer any of your questions from here on out.

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Re: which new caliber for 13 yr old

what would be wrong with a classic 270? he should be able to shoot it fine, at any thing he wanted, out to 350-400 yards. and he could "graduate" up to something bigger later on, if he wanted. This is the progression i made, 243, 270, 7mm rem mag, and I think, my next project will be a 7 stw or a 7 ultra. and plus doesn't everyone need to own at least one 270 sometime in there life?
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