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Unread 04-15-2004, 04:35 PM
 
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

Dakor, the interesting thing about the lion video is that the guide kept missing too! I would at least want a guide that was a better shot!

If you can shoot your 300WM well with the 200 TXS, use it. Don't waste time with the 375 H&H because you won't like even before you shoot it the first time. Keep it as a back up along with the other weapons and have fun.

Just make sure you post pictures!

....a 300 WM with the 200 TSX is not a 375 or 416, but its NOT small bore!

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Unread 04-15-2004, 05:03 PM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

Dakor,

I'll tell ya a little story about Bob.
Him, his wife Cindy, the kids, Samantha, and Christopher went fishing way up the Big Susitna River last summer. They got unloaded and some of the gear up on the bank above the high water mark real late in the evening, almost dark by now. Bob heard freak out and turned around to see a young Grizz coming out of the water next to the boat... which still had his rifle down in it. The Grizz moved up toward camp at a walk, when Bob launched at a dead run to the Grizz with both arms waving and yelling and roaring at the top of his lungs to intimidate him! He said at about 20' away the Bear finally bolted back into the water and he was able grab his rifle. They never saw the Bear the rest of the trip. If it would have been an older Grizz he wouldn't have spooked off like that though, more than likely. Bob didn't have much of a choice though, it was either that of they were obviously LUNCH.

Bob usually hunts alone with Rosco, his English Mastiff, but this was a fly out hunt they were on this time and Rosco stayed home. Bob don't get ruffled over much, even Bear. When he dropped to one knee and killed that BB it was calculated and deliberate. He knew that Bear would have him burried before my brother ever got down to him. His Bear did have 7 holes in him, and both upper leg bones completely shattered and the wound channel was very clear it had been his first shot when broadside. Gutting and quatering him they seen all this clearly. The shot into the spine was the last shot.

I did not see the bear hide until after Bob finished the lifesize mount, but Bob does not lie, or exagerate the truth.

I understand your skepticism, I don't believe everything I'm told either. Some people's love of telling a story is greater than their love of the simple truth. Take what I said for what it's worth, at the very least it's in the back of your mind...

Wish you a one shot kill, wish me the same, God knows that's what I hope for.

Good luck on you hunt.
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Unread 04-15-2004, 08:32 PM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

trader 338,

That it from a guy who weighs 150lbs soaking wet. The 460Wby is a pussycat when loaded with 300gr hollowpoints at full throttle. Its my 2nd favorite groundhog cartridge. I use the .221 after the 460Wby has made all the holes. [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

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Unread 04-17-2004, 05:21 PM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

You know...since this is the 'world-wide' web and reading through this thread might give one the impression that simply stepping off the plane in Alaska means you're walking amongst all these motivated, agitated bruins that only want to eat you....

Having lived, hiked, fished and camped here in Alaska since '72 every bear my brothers and I have run in to was a hell of a lot more scared of us than we were of them.

Obviously in that rare instance when TSHTF you want alot of firepower to knock the bear down, but a well-placed shot from a 300WM is a good choice for hunting bruins.

Again, granted there are exceptions, but the 'tone' of this thread reminds me of the Far Side where the bear is shot drinking from the stream and then the mount shows this ferocious killer with it's teeth bared.

Among those not accustomed to living in bear country it might tend to stoke the 'bearanoia' that leads to bears being killed in otherwise mundane, non-threatening situations.

(Brent-that guy at McHugh Creek last year who claimed the black bears were 'stalking' him...case in point)
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Unread 04-17-2004, 07:04 PM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

Reading the thread at AR, here and ones in the past, I really think most have some misconception of Bears and Alaska hunting to a larger degree than maybe other areas of the country.

One major thing is that Alaska is really spread out, game populations are dense in areas and practically non-existant in a lot of places. Finding a place with good Bear, Moose populations or what have you is probably a major problem for the guy that has little time and money to spend in Alaska on a hunt.

When Len came up here Moose hunting, I'm sure he was in a really good area for a trophy animal, probably many of them, as Wayne Kubat has a really good spot for his clients, as many of them do, and they're pretty tight lipped about the locations... for good reason.

I know of several good locations for interior Grizzly if you have a boat and or a guide. If I wanted a great opportunity for a big Bear, Bou, and Moose though, I'd hit Anchorage and jump on a plane to King Salmon and charter a flight with Sea Air to the same location my Brother and Bob went. Of course Dakor would have to take his brother along to be legal without a guide, but for airfair and drop off and pick up a couple thousand a piece at most. that is a good price for a great chance at a big Bear, Bou and Moose.

Dakor,
I don't think you'll have too much luck hunting Grizz near Wasilla, I'd head to Talkeetna on that wheeler, back to the mountains and hunt there. You're at a huge disadvantage that you're Brother in law isn't a big hunter with the area already mapped out and in his back pocket. The area is so vast up here, you really have to be an avid hunter for a few years in one area to really learn where the game is, and is not.

Bears are much more affraid of people than most realize, and they will shy away from people at almost every turn though. Beware of the Sow with Cubs! If you startle any of them, be prepared, as it could get ugly in a blink of an eye! If you get attacked by a Bear, 99% of the time it's is out of the Bear's intense fear of you, or protecting a kill. Very few will stalk a man from onset. The ones that have scare people into paranoia. Far more dangerous to be around humans, like a couple feet away from them heading in opposite dirrections down the hiway at a combined speed of over 100 miles an hour! [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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Unread 04-20-2004, 10:27 AM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

Yeah I know I probably wont get a Brown when I am up there but I can always shoot a black bear or a Moose with the brown Bear tag. I will just have to make a trip every year until I get my Brown Bear [img]images/icons/grin.gif[/img] So you dont think the Wisilla area is any good is there a reason why? Hunting pressure? I talked to some people from the Game and Fish up there and they said there was a good population of bears up there but you know how that can go sometimes [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img] I will be up there for 16 days so I hope I can get something when I am up there. We probably will mostly hike in for the day that kinda thing so if anyone wants to share an area to try feel free. I was looking in the area you pointed out but the four wheeler is not a for sure thing. I would be willing to try north of Wisilla if I could get in there by foot.
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Unread 04-20-2004, 04:11 PM
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Re: Need Help With Grizzly Bear Question

Dakor,

There's better areas is all. The population of Grizz near the Wasilla area will only be higher where you'll never make it to on foot or even by wheeler in all likelyhood. Not so much hunting pressure at all, human population in that area is too great until you get on up the hiway near Willow and Talkeetna area, over by the mountains especially. There's quite a lot of Grizz in that area, my buddy Russell sees them all the time up there. He hunts Moose up there quite often. That's the place I'd head if I was real serious about getting one, great place for Moose too. Try like hell for the wheeler if at all possible, makes getting into the more remote areas much more feasable, especially if day hunting in many areas. I hunt down east of Palmer up Knik Glacier area. Moose is good hunting so I stay around home here mainly, Black Bear is good also. We're going to set some bait again tonight. Grizzly is just few and far between around this spot though, they are here, just takes wheelers to get back there and more time than they're worth. I see them every year, about one a year is all though. Generally I'm up on the mountain and they're way out in the swamps and gone fast as you see them.

There is another area, but you need a boat. I hear it's pretty thick with Grizz, enough so I wonder about camping out there even with some big rifles. They say the Bears there just don't leave you alone at all. I'd really love to go there but I don't have a boat myself. It'll happen soon though, I'm "dieing" to see the place.
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