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Unread 10-02-2007, 07:53 AM
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Muzzleloader accuracy

Originally Posted by Mule View Post
Use Holy Black and Patched Round balls!!!!!!

Sorry I will not be nice on the BP users with Sabots and Smokeless. If you are in the true spirit of BP shoot the original black and patched round balls. I can keep multiple patched roundballs in 54 cal touching at 100 yds with 90 grs of 1F in my persusion TC Renegade. Follow up shots are no big deal with the correct lube and patch thickness since the fouling will not inhibit the reload and accruacy is great. Round balls are great on penetration and if you are worried then step it up to the 58 cal and drop them like a rock

Happy hunting


I will be nice to you round ball shooters and tell my experiences
with round ball.

When I started shooting black powder in the 70's there were no sabot's
and I had a Renegade just like you.

I loved patched ball loads and found them ok as far as group size at
100yrds "BUT" the first time I went hunting I had a bad experience
and had to tract a deer for 9 hour's due to no blood trail.

Assuming this was a fluke I shot another a week later ,With nearly
the same results.

At this point I started trying to figure out what was happining ,the
54 cal round was passing strait through with the exit hole no larger
than the ball (IT seemed to almost seal the exit hole it'self.) So
there was little or no blood trail.

After 2 more kills with similar results I gave up on round ball and
went to MAXI BALLS weighing 430grs and the change was dramatic
to say the least.

After the change to bullets every animal fell within a few feet of the
hit .

Then along came the sabot .Now we have a bullet that expands and
makes a exit wound .

I have hunted with other people that used the round ball with similar
results so I do'not recomend round ball for hunting at all.they are fine
for paper and fun.

Sabots are not allowed in some states because they are a modern design
((After 1900)).

So shoot what you want but I would not recomend round ball to the
new shooter.By the way Tripple 7 is not smokeless just clean burning.

Was that nice ?

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Unread 10-02-2007, 08:34 AM
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I started in the 70's too I got a Renagade for X-mas in 79 when I was Nine...Damn Im getting old!
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Unread 10-02-2007, 01:01 PM
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Okay, so I will begin and sight in with 100 then go to up from there.

Thanks for the help.
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Unread 10-02-2007, 08:35 PM
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Sell it and get a smokeless savage (Half-Kidding!)


Try the american pioneer powder (fffg not ffg) it does not corrode like triple seven or pyrodex does and you dont have to clean every time. Also, try the hornady sst or xtp bullets. I like the SST's myself. I used the pyrodex with the barnes mz's in my knight and it shot great, but cleanup is a pain. Now I use the sst's with the american pioneer when I hunt places where smokeless is not legal.

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Unread 10-03-2007, 07:23 AM
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JE Custom

Hence why I said use a 58 cal----- 110+ of 2F and it does the job.

If every anecdotal story about shots, hours of game tracking, non expanding projectiles, ect. were the basis of our choices then everyone should throw their stuff in the trash can because I can find a story of at least one "failure" for any combination possible within ML, LRH, or BH.

I understand the "traditionalist" get all sappy eyed and the in-liner's feel they are just "extending their season" but I still think these seasons were made for true "primitive" weapons.

I think I will go and glue some more feathers on my 300 gr "shaft" and get ready for bow season.-----

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Unread 10-03-2007, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mule View Post
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I understand the "traditionalist" get all sappy eyed and the in-liner's feel they are just "extending their season" but I still think these seasons were made for true "primitive" weapons.

What does Primitive mean? You use percussion, you can't consider that "Primitive" Do You?? Clearly caps are fairly modern, don't you think?

After-all, if IN-LINES are too modern then percussion caps are too modern too!

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Unread 10-03-2007, 08:51 AM
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Perhaps I should explain my last post lest it be considered phishing.

I often see folks complain about In-Line ML's, but most don't realise how old these things are. IMO, once they allow BP subs, such as Tripple Seven, Pyrodex, and all the rest, patented in the last 1/4 century they give up not allowing smokeless and sabots and all the rest.


This was from a Sports Afield article from January 2002

COPYRIGHT 2002 Hearst Magazines, a Division of the Hearst Corporation

The classification of "modern in-line" muzzleloaders as "primitive weapons is an ongoing controversy. This is causing arguments among muzzleloader shooters and driving some state wildlife agencies to prohibit in-line muzzleloaders from primitive-weapons hunting because they seem "too modern." In-line muzzleloaders, however, predate the percussion cap. Several existing examples, dating from the mid-1700s, are virtually identical to modern in-lines except they feature flintlock ignition.

As early as the 1500s, wheel locks and flintlocks were encased inside compartments built in to some guns to protect the priming powder. By the mid-1700s, this had evolved into prototypical in-line lock systems using cylindrical bolts, coil springs, and a variety of cocking levers and triggers, operationally identical to modern in-line muzzleloaders. A few percussion in-lines were built in the early 1800s, but eventually the simple and inexpensive side-hammer percussion lock snuffed out the costly, antiquarian in-line muzzleloaders that now seem so far ahead of their time.

Ironically, weather-protected locks and positive straight-line ignition, major advantages of modern in-line muzzleloaders, are key issues in the current "too modern" controvert.

COPYRIGHT 2002 Hearst Magazines, a Division of the Hearst Corporation
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