Muzzle brake on a 300 Win Mag?

[toddc]

Originally Posted by shortpants

I have to laugh when those opposed to brakes call those of us who enjoy the benefits of a better shooting rifle wimps. What do we call a guy whose afraid of a little noise? I don't use a brake because I worry about my shoulder. It is a fact that it is much easier to spot impacts with a brake and the rifle handles better. It is true I used to hate when a guy would show up at the range with one before I got one but I don't buy my guns to impress the guy at the range. As a hunting guide I have had to sit next to a brake while shading the shooters eyes more than once. It doesn't make me mad at all. What bothers me is when they miss or worse wound something. If it helps you shoot better I'm all for it.

+1. Guides who gripe about brakes are either stupid as Forrest Gump or fictional.
Guy shows up with an 8lb 300 ultra and no brake and I already KNOW I'm in for a crappy week.

[toddc]

And for you "REAL MEN" who dont NEED brakes but have a sumo wrestler sitting on a led sled or some other form of artificial weight addition consider this.
1 your gun will NOT shoot to the same POI with a heavy lead sled or other weight additive such as a bag between the stock as it will off of bags or pod or truck hood, it may work real good at 100 but 1k will be a lil different story.
2 Your gun will however eventually tear some sh@t up doing this. I have seen an unbraked 375 RUM break a stock after bench testing a bunch of 350gr@2700. One of my 338 edges that has had a rd or two fired in anger at turtles wallowed out the action threads in not that much time and it had a brake but is very heavy, at the time about 40LBS.
Other than that go for it! (I realize a tore up gun and a missed trophy are much less important than looking macho and having a gun thats 3db quieter)
I never admitted I wanted a brake either till I got one. Now Im a wimp but a lot deadlier wimp. Is that even possible or is that an oxymoron?

[WildRose]

Originally Posted by toddc

Yeah right Im sure its so you can see impacts when we all KNOW that only wimps use them. Youre just makin exzcuses. My grampa didnt need one so they must be the devil bla bla bla bla. Great post old teacher. My gunstore guy hates brakes too. His goto guns? A 6-47 and a 338 yogi(weighs 60+lbs). So one that cant kick due to cartidge size and one due to weight. Id shoot a 7mm stw and a 13lb yogi and call it good BUT.......I am a wimp I even put it in my signature line.

My great grandad shot an original 1874 Sharps falling block identical to the Shiloh Sharps in 45-70 long range express. It was the premier long range hunting rifle of it's day. Weighed about 18lbs with the 32" barrel, no muzzle brake, no smokeless powder, and a steel butt plate!

He'd kick me square in the teeth though if I didn't upgrade as technology advanced just like he did.

[trapper ron]

You guys are too funny. If the man wants a brake then put one on. But to be saying that guys that use to brakes become an amazing shooter is just a bunch of a bla...bla..bla.. you shoot what works for you.. the one guy that says that he was or is a guide and that if he had a hunter that didn't have a brake one a 300 mag then he was going to hate that hunt is a joke. I've guided for many years in ak. And mi. And just because you have a brake on is going to make you the best shot in the group. Is just a bunch of bla...bla...bla... shoot what works for you and dont pull the trigger unless you are shure where the damn thing is going to hit...

[toddc]

Originally Posted by trapper ron

You guys are too funny. If the man wants a brake then put one on. But to be saying that guys that use to brakes become an amazing shooter is just a bunch of a bla...bla..bla.. you shoot what works for you.. the one guy that says that he was or is a guide and that if he had a hunter that didn't have a brake one a 300 mag then he was going to hate that hunt is a joke. I've guided for many years in ak. And mi. And just because you have a brake on is going to make you the best shot in the group. Is just a bunch of bla...bla...bla... shoot what works for you and dont pull the trigger unless you are shure where the damn thing is going to hit...

Never said he was going to be an amazing shot. Did say he wasnt going to shoot as well as a guy with a properly sized brake. Or are you saying that recoil handling at the shot has no effect on accuracy? Yea youre right thats why all the benchrest guys shoot 338-378s at 100 yds. Yep itts the new thing coming Im sure. I'll head over to BR central and tell em all about your theory Im sure therell be a run on 378 cases shortly.
A guy with an 8lb 300 ultra with no brake on AVERAGE will shoot MUCH BETTER with a brake. If you would like to dispute that then fine I give up as you evidently live in a universe with differing physics laws from my own. I have had a squatload of guys with flinching problems over the years especially since the UM became an easy to buy round. If all of your guys are crack shots I guess you were one lucky dude. Most of my guys couldnt hit a barn from the inside.
Also you say that a brake wont make you the best shot in a group. Thats not really a valid statement since the brake toter may be a crappy shot anyway and the group might include david tubb and michele gallagher.
A brake will make a guy a better shot/hunter at LR in ALMOST every instance. DISAGREE? If you do then you must be new to all this. A brake may not matter in the deer woods but it does out where we shoot over 80ft regularly. LRH without a braked gun is just silly and unethical(because its less effective...period). If your goal is to increase wounding by all means dont use a brake.
While we are at it in your closing sentence....uhh if you do send that shot that YOU KNOW is gonna hit....how will you KNOW IT DID HIT without a brake?
Naysay all you want and gawd forbid you try anything new. If we all go around trying new stuff then sooner or later we will have systems capable of killing cleanly at 1k....oh I forgot we already do. Oh well I think Im headin back to my self bow n some alder saplings with a chunk o flint on the end.

[toddc]

Originally Posted by WildRose

My great grandad shot an original 1874 Sharps falling block identical to the Shiloh Sharps in 45-70 long range express. It was the premier long range hunting rifle of it's day. Weighed about 18lbs with the 32" barrel, no muzzle brake, no smokeless powder, and a steel butt plate!

He'd kick me square in the teeth though if I didn't upgrade as technology advanced just like he did.

Nah he wouldnt want you to use a brake at LR cuz they dont help you shoot better or mitigate recoil or cause less wear on the gun or make a 2nd shot easier or keep you from flinching or keep your retinas attached or your shoulder from damage or the gun from torquing as badly or muzzle jump lessened or more accuracy due to less gun movement or anything like that. Ya just dont need em....according to trapper ron anyway. They are loud though! And my dad is cooler than yours. Sorry when logic wont agree with me I just pull out the "my way is better cuz I say it is card" even though all of the data is 100% to the opposite view. I WIN!

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Why would anyone want a gun to kick more than necessary? Who would choose a gun with the same cartidge that kicks twice as bad? S&M is for the bedroom not the range.