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Old 05-27-2007, 02:47 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

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Target: short range - Long range
Hunting: Varmint - Big Game

The only 6mm Big Game rated bullets in 6mm are 95gr, 105gr, and 115gr VLD. All of these are listed as Match bullets by Berger. I assume they have done some testing or know the construction of their bullets that will lead to suitable big game bullets. I would suggest you try one of the heavier VLD hunting bullets.

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Berger only recomended thier bullets for target shooting until Longe Range Hunters started useing them and then Berger decided to apeal to a larger base of perspective buyers and then began to recomend them for hunting. The Roe Deer is no larger than a medium sized dog and the bullet exited thus was certainly large enogh........
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:21 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

Think jwp475 may be right on this one (about Berger). Hunters used to be critized and discouraged from using match and target bullets on game. I was suprised at the first ad I saw from Berger advocating the use of their bullets on game. I thought to myself "hum, they must be making hunting bullets now". Well they are, but the part #'s for the LR target bullets are the same for the big game bullets.
On a personal note: I would have no quam with taking deer sized game with the 115gn .257 match VLD bullet in my .25-06 Rem. Each animal is different and will react differently when shot. Some run, some don't, especially when the central nervous system "parts" aren't directly contacted.
The kill described in the first post is typical, I think, of not enough energy on game. I shot a wild dog once with a .22 LR at about 75 yds. The bullet penetrated both lungs and he ran about 40 yds and died approx. 15 minutes later. These things happen when you're out trying to KILL animals. JohnnyK.
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Old 05-27-2007, 04:32 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

Here is a picture of an exit in the offside rib cage of a bull Elk made from a 500 JRH 440 grain at a muzzle Velocity of 905 fps and less than 900 FPE



Here is an exit of a 180 grain fired from a 300 Winn with an impact velocity of approx. 2600 fps fpr 2700 FPE



As can clearly be asscertained from these pictures there is more to it than FPE. We do not know if the lungs were centered or perferated at the edges all of which will have a bearing on time of experation... These things simply happen when hunting and if one is worried about how the animal feels about being killed then don't do it....
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Old 05-27-2007, 05:09 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

Does anyone have any experience using Hornady A-Max on deer sized animals?
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

I could be sour at your reply, but why would you not put another shot to the neck and end the animals agony?
For the record, some of us do care for the animals that we harvest, and will often NOT take a shot if the results are marginal.
I suppose that I could shoot every animal that I want, even if it is not a great killing shot...perhaps just shoot in the guts and wait 4-6 hours and go collect my trophy.....nah, I will continue to take the high percentage shots that put an animal down fast, and should I screw up, I'll continue to take the best shots that are offered until the game is in bag.

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Old 05-27-2007, 06:19 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

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Does anyone have any experience using Hornady A-Max on deer sized animals?

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IanM one of the Moderators here has used them on Deer and written articles about thier use on Deer.....He reported dead Deer...........
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Old 05-27-2007, 06:33 PM
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Re: match bullets for deer

Ok, keep the "Humanity" out of it.

If a shot is purely a lung shot with no collateral damage from bone chips or arterial damage, then the mode of death is asphyxiation. The hunter is waiting for the "sucking chest wound" to render the diaphram useless for inflating the lungs with air (collapsed lungs) and then lack of oxygen takes over and the animal "falls asleep".

I shot a large cow elk last year with a 7 mag 140 gr bullet at 120 yds. She took the hit with no sign of moving or anyhing. We drilled holes in each other for about 3 minutes (yes, I checked my watch) seeing who would move first after the shot. Finally, she started to go wobbly and fell over.

The 7mm had entered cleanly, no ribs, and fully mushroomed and was in the hide on the opposite side. Only lungs and nothing else was hit.

Good shot, good bullet performance, and death by "falling asleep"

If it bothers you that a lung shot may not have worked as "fast" then do like the bowhunters and wait 30 min, drink some water, have a snack, smoke a stick and the animal will still be "dead"

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