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Old 12-02-2009, 12:14 PM
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Re: manners T2 or Pdog special for hunting

ya see im young and able (19) so i feel like i could get used to carrying 11lbs of gun around when i wanted to. i just dont want to get sick of it and have it designated to targets and ground blinds for the rest of its life...

i want to cut the barrel only to save weight. i have read some reports suggesting 20" barrels might just be the perfect length in some situations but thats not that big a deal to me. i like the idea of the rifle being fairly compact and light in tactical terms. if i can cut the barrel to save a couple pounds, optics and bipod you bring me back up to 10 or 11 lbs it seems. if i didn't cut the barrel i might be pushing 14 lbs of gun. i know thats only a 2 lb difference between the two but i know a guy with a 16 lb gun that he says theres no way he would lug it around hunting. thats also only another 2 lbs but where do you draw the line ya know?

and i trust my smith. its larry from excorio precision arms. hes got experience with this and i think it will turn out just fine.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:33 PM
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Re: manners T2 or Pdog special for hunting

Sounds like you got your self a plan. You may want to talk with him about what you want. He could give some very good advice as to build that perfect stalker. Maybe in this application the McMillian may not be a good option. The only reason I am saying this is that it is specifically designed to be put on a bipod and drug through the woods. They are quite long and very heavy. Half the rifles weight is in the stock itself. You could look at maybe getting a wood stock in the same profile and save your self about 3lbs. I would venture a guess that with pillar and glass bedding you will not gain any weight and be just as accurate. You could save a little money for better glass and accessories.

Let me guide you my young Padowan learner!

Sharp Shooter Supply - The Savage Specialists good equipment and stocks.
Tactical Style, I really like these and probably get one some day. Having children puts the clamps on this kind of stuff.

The more I think about it, I really like having the short barrel. It makes it nice for crawling under thick brush. It was a life save a couple years ago. Hunted in some really nasty thick stuff. A long barrel would have sucked emensly.

Hope this helps. Understand I am not trying to talk you out of a McMillian. You would be getting one heck of a stock with a really nice action and factory tube. Like I said, talk to your smith and see what he thinks.

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Old 12-02-2009, 02:25 PM
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Re: manners T2 or Pdog special for hunting

i like the sharp shooter supply stocks but that LVT is 4 lbs, thats heavier than a manners T2 and idk if its as good a quality. lot cheaper thats for sure but weight is my main issue.

im having a lot of ppl tell me not to cut the barrel down to save weight. why not? i have seen a lot of tactical sniper rifles with barrels cut down to even 18"...
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:42 PM
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Re: manners T2 or Pdog special for hunting

For long range intent, long barrels mean velocity and energy. That is from a known perspective that long barrels produce good results down range. Now with a .308 it is in my opinion, you are still going to get your results that you want from an 18 or 20" barrel. I have been able to hit steel with mine at 600yrds. With the amount of splatter that was on the steel I know it would do some damage. The load that I used wasn't even that accurate, and I know now I can pick the speed up to the normal speeds that snipers can achieve with their ammo. I am expecting this new experiment to prove quite plausible to produce long barrel velocities using RL17 and a 168 bullet. I am going to try both magnum primers and large rifle primers to see what I get.

I'm on board with you. I was just curious as to why you would like to cut your barrel. The length of the barrel should be determined by how far you want to shoot. I know that 600 is about as far as I am going to go on game with my rifle should this new load work out. Right now I have a load using 135 SMK's that print well and carry enough velocity to kill Whitetail to around 450yrds. So length determines application or vice versa. Does that make sense? I don't think you could go wrong with a short barrel.

I read an article by Rifle shooter or Shooting Times magazine that the author wanted to see the results of a long barrel verses a short one. He preferred the short barrel and said with equal factory loads using same twist bores but one was longer and the other shorter; the shorter printed better. He attributed that to being a stiffer barrel. This can be really subjective because of metallurgy and brand of barrel do to maker. It is a matter of preference.

As far as weight, I am guessing that you will save a pound or two by using the wood stock even though it weighs 4lbs. If you done get the adjustable comb you will still save some weight without hardware.

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