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Old 01-19-2011, 02:14 PM
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Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

i have been practicing for the past few months on shots up too 600 yards with my new 243. win and vortex viper 6.5-20x44mm and so far im doing good. with much more practice i hope my groups shrink, and even sometimes hits become more consecutive. every once in a while i take my 300. wsm to practice as well as for last year i had a shot opportunity at 740 yards and 1 at 550 yards. The year before that i had a shot at a Large black bear at 460 yards and i had to pass due to my scopes ability and my ability. I began practicing and i consecutive and confident out to 400 yards. I would like a scope that will allow me to make shots easier, clearer, and is meant for long range.

This year i am going to Montana to do a Deer/Elk combo hunt and i talk to the guy who's property he is hunting and he missed a BIG 6x6 and a really really good 4x4. He has also seen numerous monster whitetail but hasn't been able to get the shot due to shots being 300 yards and out. I want to be prepared.

This scope will be placed on a Browning A-Bolt 300. wsm. I would like the lens to be 56mm and smaller preferably around 44-50mm. The power should be around 4-12, 4-16 or 5-20 ish. I like the 4-16 idea. not to big but big enough. I dont want to be spending too much money that i cant afford the hunt no longer if you know what i mean. I would like to stay under a 1000 but if taxes included come to over a 1000 im okay with that.

I have heard many say the Zeiss conquest 4.5-14 is what im looking for with z-800 reticle. I prefer the dialing method more. I have heard a lot of people tell me to stick with Vortex since i have good experience with them i would like too. People say the Vortex Viper PST with or without FFP , 4-16x 50mm would be a good choice. whats your thoughts
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:19 PM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

The scope you have, albeit a different model/product line perhaps, has had good reviews and strong recommendations in this forum.

So, what exactly do you not like about your Vortex?

magnification?
light gathering?
diopter focus?
adjustable objective?
definition?
contrast?
fogging?
repeatability of the turrets?
reticle type/thickness of the cross hairs?
bases?
rings?
consistency and accuracy of your groups at 100 yards and long range?

There are a lot of scopes to choose from if $1000 is your budget. But, iIt's hard to make recommendations when we're not sure of your requirements.

Thanks,
Richard
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:51 PM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

The vortex i currently have is on a different rifle. My 300. wsm has a very old bushnell. I want a scope that can compete yet do better then the vortex i have. The next step up was a long range scope and the size up was the PST
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Old 01-19-2011, 07:40 PM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

I would definitely look at the PST. That was my thoughts just before I read your last post. That's if you want to stay with Vortex. The next option would be Sightron 8-32 SIII, Leupy VXIII or MK4, Nightforce, IOR, or Horus. If you want to spend a lot of money then go for the S&B, Premier, U.S. Optics, or Vortex Razor.

What's your budget?

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Old 01-19-2011, 08:44 PM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

I recently went through what you are going through as I prepared for a Montana elk/muley hunt. My conclusions:

You need no more than a 50 mm scope. Bigger gets too heavy.

I needed a low power for hunting in the timber & needed a reticle where I could get off a FAST shot out to at least 500 yards. Outfitter warned me that shots may only have a 3-4 second window before an animal disappears in the timber & told me clients often can't get a shot off fast enough if they have to twist turrets.

I needed enough power & turret adjustment for 800 yard shots on big game.

I decided to shop for 3.5-10 through 4.5-14 power scopes with a ballistic reticle. I ended up with a VX3 in 3.5-10 with a lighted Boone & Crocket reticle. The Zeiss conquest 4.5-14x50 with the Rapid-Z-800 reticle was my first choice but I got a very good deal on the Leupold & my old eyes like a lighted reticle so I bought Leupold. I can say I had the nicest scope in camp & it worked perfectly on this hunt. If I go back for the same hunt in the future I'll add the CDS turret to make elevation changes easier & faster.

Remember, a ballistic reticle, whether the Rapid-Z 800 or the Boone & Crocket, doesn't keep you from turning turrets IF you have time, but they do let you get off a "close enough" shot in a hurry when you don't have time to turn your turrets. This makes sense to me & worked well on the hunt.

Yes, I got a beautiful elk but passed on the only shooter muley I saw.

In truth, more people were upset with their binoculars than their scopes on this hunt. Make sure you have EXCELLENT binoculars.

Good luck!
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Old 01-20-2011, 07:24 AM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

I too would look at the PST line, but get a SFP scope for hunting.
Another good option would be the Nightforce 2.5x10-32 mm NXS with NP-R2 reticle. I have one, and have shot out to 800 yards with no problem. Took an elk at 426yards this past year with it set at 2.5 power setting. The scope is light, repeatable and solid, and also illuminated.
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Old 01-20-2011, 05:48 PM
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Re: Looking to get new scope for big game rifle! Need advice

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I too would look at the PST line, but get a SFP scope for hunting.
Another good option would be the Nightforce 2.5x10-32 mm NXS with NP-R2 reticle. I have one, and have shot out to 800 yards with no problem. Took an elk at 426yards this past year with it set at 2.5 power setting. The scope is light, repeatable and solid, and also illuminated.
Trueblue,

Why do recommend to go with the SFP? Most people's reviews I see say to go with the FFP. I currently have a Viper 6.5-20x50 Target Dot scope and have been very pleased with it thus far. However, to be honest with you, I only had a chance to shoot it a couple times before I had to go out of town to work, and I also can't find anywhere that will tell me whether it's SFP or FFP. Maybe you could enlighten me.

And as for the original post, I've done tons and tons or research and have been looking through reviews and forums about the PST. For the money I don't think you can go wrong. However, most people, when comparing to the NXS, have said the NF has clearer glass and doesn't get that red tint to white objects. At the same time, you're looking at about 600 more for the same options in the NF. I've also been looking into Leupold's VX-7 and MK4's and those seem to be between the PST and NF, both with concerns to money and to reviews.

I don't know if I helped out much, just wanted to lend my opinion that I've come up with so far. As of right now I'm personally leaning towards the PST, but constantly looking for someone to give me hard evidence to go another route. At some point you have to think if you are really getting that much more quality out of something versus the money you're spending.
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