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Unread 12-28-2004, 07:56 PM
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Longrange reality check

For over a month now I have been poking around trying to figure out what set-up I was looking for and realisticaly what my range would be. I thought there would be a compromise of a set-up for hunting, and long range.

This Christmas I pooled all my gift money and bought a Leica 1200 and set out to see how far, far is. After hitting the back roads and ranging cows and goats, I am not so sure anymore about a combo set up.

I'm guessing now that if I am to buy a ("phantom" Remington CDL Left hand) in .30-06, have the action squared, then bedded, order a stiffer barrel, and have that floated, then pick out a scope...which scope. Well the primary use would be for hunting; Glassing and stalking, so I don't think I should go with a long range scope that has a min setting of 6X No, I'm thinking a 4X10 Zeiss or 3X9 Leupold.
So there it is, now what sort of range could you folks get out of that rig shooting 150-180 grain?

After a few days of playing around with the Leica I'm thinking 400 yards if I have a good situation. I never realized just how far 500 yds really is. I can see off a bench with a long scope, but no way with a 9X laying prone or off a knee.

I read a book a while back about Carlos Hathcock, and they were shooting 30-06's with 9X scopes in Viet Nam, making 1000 yd shots, laying prone! Damn, my hats off to that.

I don't think I would ever get there unless I had a longrange scope, which I just don't think would suit me hiking up and down the hills. Since I would probablly be stalking most of the time, I think I would need 3X or 4X on the lower end.

I was able to get a reading on a metal box out at 1176 yards, whew, that can't really be done with a 10X scope can it?

I read a post a while back about a couple of guys shooting Elk at 1200 yards, did they bring a bench with them? Kind of like a jumbo prarie dog shoot, or can some guys hike around, lay down and kill an elk at 1000yds
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Unread 12-28-2004, 08:43 PM
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Re: Longrange reality check

400 yards is a good distance to become familiar with techniques. You'll graduate from there to a bit longer and before long (relatively) you'll be shooting further than you've ever imagined.

Yes, there are guys that can walk around, lay down and shoot an elk at 1000 yards.

A 10 power scope can get it done but 14 might be better... a 4.5 x 14 x 40 Leupold is pretty good and small(ish).
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Unread 12-28-2004, 08:46 PM
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Re: Longrange reality check


I think for what you want to do any scope up to 10x will work. I had a super sniper 10x on my Rem 260 and was able to hit 1 litre pop bottles at 550Yards 9-10 times with it and shot silhouets with the same setup.

Remember the leica is only 7x power (i believe) and you were able to see the metal box with that power.

As far as shooting to 1000 off bipods i believe it can be done. People shoot highpower matches prone with a sling and shoot in the x ring which is 10". Beyond 1000 i am sure with the practice and knowing your capabilities and equipmant it can be done. Hopefully if this weekend is nice enough i can be able to shoot out to 1 Mile. will be shooting prone off the bipod. Finally the cattle are out of the pasture. I have been waiting all summer long.

At my range we can get to 1000yards and i shoot prone off the bipod and can achieve 10-15". I haven't mastered the art of reading the wind yet. You have to shoot over hills and the target is in a low spot between two hills. Makes it very difficult to judge wind all the way out to 1000.

I would get the Zeiss 4-10x. Very good scope.
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Unread 12-28-2004, 10:50 PM
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Re: Longrange reality check

I was in the same boat as you a few years ago. I thought 400 or 500 yards was way out there, and wondered how I could shoot a deer that far away. I already had a 300 Win Mag, but bought a Rem 700 lefty in .308 to practice with, and practice I did! 4ked Horn and I built targets and went out and practiced until we got to the point that we could go out, dial in our numbers for 400 yards and judge the wind - placing our first shot on the steel gong. I also practiced some with the 300WM. This year I took a nice Mule deer doe at just over 430 yards. The shot was dead center top to bottom, just behind the shoulder - exactly where I was aiming. Now 400 yards seems to be "routine" and I look forward to more practice to stretch it out to 500 or 600 yards, especially since I saw a nice buck at 500 yards last season - too bad I had a doe tag!

Also, dont let the high magnification scopes discourage you. I have a 6.5-20x on the 300WM, and for 3 of the last 5 deer, I got them at 75 yards or less - 6.5x magnification wasn't an issue. As a side note, I ranged elk at 1150 yards with my Leica 1200, and I could see the elk with the 7x Leica optic in the middle of day, but I could really see them well with my 12x binoculars

The more you practice, the easier it will get. There is no reason that you couldn't take a deer at 500 yards with your 30-06 if you KNOW that you can do it.
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Unread 12-28-2004, 11:08 PM
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Re: Longrange reality check

Can a shooter take game at 500 yds with a scope that isn't adjusted before shooting. Can you be that accurate just holding over your target at 500 yds? It sounds like you all use the scops with the MOA adjustment knobs on the side that you dail in before the shot.
When you ranged that elk at 1100, was it hard to hole the square on the elk, did you have it braced in some manner?
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Unread 12-29-2004, 02:48 AM
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Re: Longrange reality check

Can a shooter take game at 500 yds with a scope that isn't adjusted before shooting. Can you be that accurate just holding over your target at 500 yds? It sounds like you all use the scops with the MOA adjustment knobs on the side that you dail in before the shot.

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Can I ask why you want to know? Do you have an apprehension to using the scope adjustments in the field? I used to think hold overs were just fine, and they were out to around 300 yards. But when I made the commitment to learn how to use a scope and a drop chart I discovered a whole knew realm of shooting.

It is like typing with two fingers. You might get pretty good but when you learn to type with all your fingers what seemed pretty good is nothing close to what you are doing now.

If I am on the right track here let me know and I'll tell you a funny story that happened to me regarding the difference between hold overs versus clicking and holdong dead on.

P.S. Read my signature line. I'm making fun of that customer I had. He no more hit that deer at 800 yards by holding over it's shoulders than I could knock down the back row of bowling pins by bouncing the ball down the bowling lane.

But If one of the guys here said that he hit an elk at 1000 yards by getting a steady rest and dialing in for the yardage I wouldn't question that event at all.
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Unread 12-29-2004, 04:47 AM
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Re: Longrange reality check

There is hunting where you might shoot out to 500 yds, & there is "hunting" where you start out at 500 yds. Most hunters don't have the equipment, skill, and terrain that offers some of the long range shooting you read about on this site. If you get a good 3X9 or 3.5X10 power scope with a long range stadia built in (such as Leupold, Burris, or Swarovski), you can work on your rifle, loads, and shooting skills to where you are deadly out to 500-600 yds without making adjustments in the field. Remember, that a 500 yd shot at 10 power is like seeing the animal at 50 yds with your bare eye. You only have one thing to aim (your crosshair)on the target. Long range differs for everyone. Your skill level & confidence will get better with practice. Go out this summer and shoot some varmints. If you can hit a little target at 300-400 yds, think how much easier it will be to hit a large target at that or slightly further distances. Technique & equipment, combined with knowledge & confidence will make all the difference. You have plenty of rifle if you use the right bullet, find an accurate & fast load, and learn to use your equipment correctly. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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