700 yards on a buck with a 223 and 55g HP is LUCK, not skill. I dont care who you are. Do that shot 100 times and see how many deer you end up losing and never recovering, I bet it'd be close to about 90%.
I'm not one to rain on someones parade, but you must think a little bit about these things before you decide to post. In most states its not even legal to use .224's on deer, let alone at 700 yards. I'm not saying it CANT be done, obviously your the exception, but its not a high percentage shot/kill with that system.
You do know that 700 yards with a 55g bullet at that speed is pretty much flat out of gas at 700 yards right? Do you know the drop, drift, remaining velocity, energy left at 700 yards?? My guess is you probly dont, but according to you, all you gotta do is range it and click your scope to the yardage and wah lah, your killing deer at 700 yards with a 55g hp from a AR .223. There is a ton of stuff that goes into making shots past 600 yards and I think you have a bit of reading to go to fully understand why some of us are questioning you.
Dont take my post to offense, just look at the ballistics of your 700 yard deer load and you'll see why some of us have a hard time being open minded.
mine would be a groundhog at 1030 yards. poor fellow picked a bad time to walk out behind my 1000 yd target i had set up to verify my drop chart. oh yeah, it was a 338 with 250 gr Match Kings. i can assure you it was "enough" at that distance.
my farthest kill was at 1350 on a wv whitetail last fall with a 7mm Allen mag. The farthest kill I've read about on this forum that I have faith in was Kirby's (FIFTYDRIVER) 2370 yard rockchuck.
As far as the 700 yard whitetail kill with a 55 gr 223, you folks have to understand we know that the load is down to 150 ft/lbs of energy at that range, you can kill a deer with a 22 at that level of energy but ya better hit him in the head. and the drop is 145" or 19+ moa and this was done with a generic BDC knob? with wolf ammo?
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Last edited by Ridge Runner; 07-28-2009 at 05:58 PM.
"and the drop is 145" or 19+ moa and this was done with a generic BDC knob? with wolf ammo?"
Im pretty sure the wwII nazi snipers were using Wolf ammo,it is the most precise ammo avaliable to the long range shooting crowd,there is a wolf "black label" ammo but you have to be an employee of the pentagon or blackwater Inc to buy it.With that kind of energy at 700....ish and a HP bullet that deer wouldnt be DRT,it would LFG,Long Fn Gone.
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Re: Longest Hunting Harvest on the Boards
Open another thread about it.
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (how bad your last shot was, how big the group is going to be, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Here we go again with the negative comments. I guess it is beyond you two (X3M, NONYA business) that there just might be a remote possibility that it is some what possible to make a shot at 920 yards with open sites and kill an animal. I guess you could tell that guy you have probably seen hit an 18" plate on a Buffalo silhouette at 1450 yards with a 45-120 with open sites its impossible. You could also tell the guys that shoot 10" bullseyes with open sites in Palma matches that it isn't possible. I bet you could even insult the lowly snipers of WWI and WWII and Korea that they were unable to protect their fellow soldiers from advancing attack with an Springfield 1903, Jorgansen 30-40 Kraig, M1 Garand because that is all they had at the time picking off the leadership at 1000yrds. Jeesh I wonder how a Civil War sniper managed with only a rifled musket (if they used there own hunting rifle) and the ability to take a Colonel off his horse at an estimated 1000 yards with open sites. I guess it is impossible to be that open minded.
I guess it is impossible to understand that some individuals who have grown up on open sites because they could not afford a scope in their youth. They had to use what they had and learn to use it well. I guess you just might be a bit jealous that it is possible that there is someone out there that might just be a better shot than you two.
But here we are... being little boys doubting a mans ability because you have never tried nor have the ability to meet his ability. Once again the world revolves around two individuals and their innate ability to judge someone else's ability. I wish I could be like you guys... then again, I like the fact that I'm far less superior and have room to grow.
Tank (a.k.a. Spineless Unich)
I know it is very possible to hit a target with a 308 with open sights at 920 yards, but that's not my point. The point I was making is that the equipment being used was being stretch way past it's limitations, and more than questioning his skills I was questioning his ethics. I'm willing to bet that there are quite a few people here that are better shots than him that would never think of shooting a deer at 920 yards with a 308 with open sights.
And speaking of ability, it is because I have tried and practiced shooting long range that I know what it takes to make a cold bore shot at 920 yards with top of the line equipment (scopes with target turrets, range finders, weather stations, and custom built guns with match barrels using handloads with target bullets) that I question his "ability"