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Old 03-01-2002, 02:27 PM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

WyoJim-

What are the technical differences between the 6.5/300 vs the .264 Win Mag? I assume they are built on the same parent case...
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Old 03-01-2002, 02:38 PM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

Wapi-T, The parent case for the 6.5/300 is the 300 Weatherby. It holds considerably more powder than the .264 Winchester.
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Old 03-01-2002, 07:15 PM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

Wapi-T,

Here's the gun I just ordered...

6.5/284
Hart 28" barrel
8 twist, fluted #5 taper
Win mod. 70 LA
Jewel HVR trigger
M40A1 McMillan stock ( woodland camo )

Smith just had another guy who built one almost like this.( differnt Stock ) got 3100 fps with 140 SMK's says he shot a 9.5" group at 1K.. that works for me.....

Mine should weigh about 12-14 lbs.. A light contour barrel should cut some weight for you. A rem action is lighter. If you pick another stock you can probobly get down to 10 lbs.

food for thought....
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Old 03-02-2002, 12:15 AM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

Wapi-T
I have lived with 6.5X300's for 33 years and have 3 of them right now. As a bench type LR rifle by todays standards they are totally outclassed by the big 30's and 338's. They
take a spotter with a lot of experience to spot the hits. Where a big gun causes a small
eruption that most anybody can see, the 6.5 spotter will rely a lot on the bullet wash
and then see a small impact. I'm talking past a thousand yards.
Killing power on deer is adequate as far as I have killed them. Of which my longest one
is 1400 yards. Deer was laying down. 3 shots about 200 yards short to sight in, click up
to the deer, One shot close to get it up on its feet, next shot knocked it down, but it
got back up, next shot was a miss, next shot put it down for good. Deer was dead within 20 feet of its bed, and it turned out the first hit would have handled the job but you can't take the chance.
My longest kill of any thing is a skunk at 1640 yards. I didn't count the shots. Once I
was on him or figured he was in the group so to speak, I just shot until he was unlucky.

Elk is a different story for the 6.5X300. We got dam tired of elk shot behind the shoulder
and dashing 50 to a hundred yards into some blowdown and making us a ton of work. So we started shooting them through the shoulder. The first one I shot through the shoulder was at 325 yards with a .264. There was no way to take a rest, so I had to shoot him offhand. Being the 1981 PA State Champion in Highpower Silhouette helped. I could hold well inside the shoulder, but my spotter said the shot went right over his back. I knew what had happened, because the hold had broke its pattern and went right out the top and went off, I had forced the gun to fire. The dummy never moved and my next hold settled on his shoulder, the gun went off and he went down like he was pole axed. The 140 grain Sierra went through both shoulders and was caught by
the skin on the far side. I figured shooting through the shoulder I would limit the .264 to 500 yards, where I figured it could get through the near shoulder, the lungs and at least into the far shoulder.
Based on this I figured with the 6.5 sporter I could stretch my kill yardage to 600. I made a one shot pole axe kill at 600 and the bullet passed clear through. So I raised my
max distance to 700. The next one I shot was about 500 yards. Another pole axe kill, but the skin caught the bullet on the far side. Go Figure....

Three of us shot my 6.5X300 at the matches at Williamsport in 1969, So it saw a lot of rounds. At around 1400 rounds it quit shooting good on 10 shot groups, but would still group well for 6 or 7 shots. In hindsight, maybe it had some copper fowling that if cleaned by todays standards would have prolonged it.
I bought my first .264 in 1964 and used it for a carry gun until around 1990 when I made it into a 6.5X300 Saddle Gun. Thats almost 30 years of shooting and plinking with a caliber that is supposed to shoot out in a year.
Last fall I sold my last .264 and began the search for a Rem 700 long action to build a 6.5 Gibbs or 6.5/06 improved. I think I can get within a hundred feet a second of my .264 and do it with a lot less powder.
I don't think for a hunting gun the 6.5X284 has any advantage over the 6.5/06 and until recently good brass was impossible to find for it.
Oh and for a little controversy, with the aid of molly coated bullets I have been hunting with a 24in. barreled .264 at 3200 fps and a 26in. 6.5X300 at 3400 fps....Jim Mackey
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Old 03-03-2002, 08:23 AM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

I noticed that you chose a long action. Did you do that to accomodate long bullets?
Seeing that you have a long action, is there a reason that you did not use the 30-06 or other long cartridge as the parent case?
Just wondering.
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Old 03-03-2002, 07:43 PM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

VH,

Yup, I had the long action just laying around but I am using it so I can seat the bullets out far enough to touch the lands and still fit in the magazine. I didn't use the '06 parent cartridge because I wanted to stay away from fire forming and stuff. I have heard lotsa good stuff about the 6.5/284 and have really been itchin to get one so.. it kinda all came together last week....
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Old 03-04-2002, 08:35 AM
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Re: Long Range \'Lite\'

Sounds Sweet...

4 more questions:

1. Is this a Model 70 push-feed?
2. Why the Model 70 action as opposed to others?
3. If you don't mind me asking, how much would a setup like this set a guy back? I know, it's an indiscreet question, but I can't help myself.
4. What scope will you top it with?

BTW, saw my first .270 WSM cartridge in person Saturday. Winchester's advertising photos don't do it justice. That's one mean little pill. Lost river ballistic makes a .277 caliber 135 grain J-36 (BC .649). That might make an interesting long-range combo.
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