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View Poll Results: weight
Under 9lbs 108 14.59%
9-11lbs 283 38.24%
11-13lbs 197 26.62%
13-15lbs 100 13.51%
over 15lbs 52 7.03%
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Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

 
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:01 AM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

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I shot on the high school rifle small bore and had friends that did biathalon, as well as air pistol and moving target air. The heavier weight was not necessarialy for accuracy but to slow the rifles movement down while shooting,biathalon is off hand which is not condusive to long range. If you are a rifleman you can do great with a light rifle, that is high quality. I saw guns in the light gun class this year out perform heavy in 1000 bench
There's really no comparison between bench guns and shooting in the field.

Weight definitely adds to accuracy in field shooting since it takes more energy to move a heavier object than a light one.

All else being equal heavier is steadier, steadier is more accurate when it comes to field shooting.
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:41 PM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

I'm with wildrose on this. Both my 13 lb long range rifle, and my 8 lb big game rifle shoot with hair splitting precision, but once ranges start getting to 800 and beyond, the light rifle can't compare.
When I was researching the heavy gun I spoke with several reputable accuracy gunsmiths. The one common denominator seemed to be that with the usual top quality components, a gun weight starting around 10 lbs was to be expected if looking for a hunting rifle capable of 1K yard accuracy.
The reasoning all gave can be summarized as the rigidity of more substantial components, primarily the barrel and a good stock, contributed to accuracy. The accompanying weight stabilizes the rifle for a more consistent bullet launch.
That's my understanding anyway.
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Old 10-03-2013, 09:55 AM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

CoBrad & Wildrose

Not really anybody arguing that heavy doesn't shoot well. I carried a 15lb gun in the field for years. The real question is: can the same stability be achieve at a lighter weight? I would think so. During the Civil War slug guns weighing 35 - 40lbs did serve on both sides as sniping platforms achieving remarkable shots. Some of those gunsmiths used to "swamp" their barrels which is planing (filing) the flats narrower along the body of the barrel between breach and muzzle. They did that to save weight and shoot just as well. We can apply today's technology to accomplish similar results.

Say we start with a full bodied stock for form stability but make it from Carbon Fiber / Aramid and a skeletonized aluminum or titanium bedding block. Add a thick barrel - more than an inch stem to stern - but instead of "swamping" it we cut flutes through the body starting an inch or two in front of the chamber and stopping several inches from the muzzle keeping the weight forward. One piece ring/base combinations are what I use now because 1) I don't ever take off my scopes anymore. 2) No iron sights on a long range gun. 3) They are surprisingly lighter than traditional mounting systems. 4) Most important, they are ridged as a rock. More so than any two piece system can be. Want to save a pound on a rifle's weight? Shave an ounce in sixteen places.

It is possible to get a 10lb rifle to hold as well as a 13lb rifle. Not out of the box but it can be done. There just hasn't been the effort or movement among us to do so.

Not yet anyhow.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:07 PM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

I think we're on the same page. The next rifle build I plan looks like this;
Ti action, Murphy Ti scope mounts, a suitable long range stock design in carbon fiber, a Sendero taper barrel. I think the gun should come in somewhere close to 10 lbs scoped. I also expect 1K yard big game rifle accuracy from it.

My 13 pounder is giving varmint accuracy well beyond 1K. I think a 10 pounder should be able to shoot sub-moa at that range... even with me at the wheel!

Looking at the rifles Len has available here on LRH, I see rifles built with conventional actions and stocks and #4 taper barrels that are shooting to that level. Probably a good place to get one without going exotic and waiting a year... hmmm...
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:21 PM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

Copy that COBrad!
State of the art is no slouch to be sure and for and average Joe one trip to a store that knows and deals in this hobby will yield a rig that is not only affordable but better than the leading edge stuff only a few years ago. Pursuit of an ideal always opens up the boundaries.

Your idea about max Titanium content is spot on. Serious weight savings by going down that path. I put a Dragunov style stock on middle son's SKS and improved the accuracy and shaved maybe 1 1/2lbs. I was impressed enough to wonder if LR rifle stocks should head in that direction. Adjustable stocks have taken over MSRs and they compete on a level field now with the traditional stocks. Also noticed that Keltec (of all people) have a bi pod on their 223 semi that folds to form the fore-stock. Why can't we approach bipods that way? Lots of new stuff coming out all the time. If you can dream it we can make it.

I've been developing a rifle in my mind based on a Ruger #1 & 28' barrel. The #1 & 3# rifles are an easy 5" shorter than a bolt gun. It would require a completely custom stock and I don't know how much trigger work can be done. Then there is the problem of fitting Talley's one piece ring and base combo to the barrel.

Work in progress. Have to finish developing loads for my Savage in 375 Ruger w/ a factory installed 26" barrel first. Going to try to get a 3/8' bore bullet to fly flat out to five or six hundred yds and carry about a ton of energy @ that range. Looks like either the Barnes 250gr TTSX or the Nosler 260 gr Accubond might work. I will suffer the work to the greater knowledge of all of us. Pray for me!
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:53 PM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

Gun for this season with bipod finishes at 18.9lbs. I don't care how good the pieces are or how well it's put together if I get a gun that is under 12-13lbs it is just hard to be as steady at 800 and beyond. The gun maybe able to shoot just as well but the extra weight makes me the shooter more consistant and that is more important than the weight to me.
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Old 10-08-2013, 05:39 PM
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Re: Long Range Hunting Gun Weight

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I'm with wildrose on this. Both my 13 lb long range rifle, and my 8 lb big game rifle shoot with hair splitting precision, but once ranges start getting to 800 and beyond, the light rifle can't compare.
When I was researching the heavy gun I spoke with several reputable accuracy gunsmiths. The one common denominator seemed to be that with the usual top quality components, a gun weight starting around 10 lbs was to be expected if looking for a hunting rifle capable of 1K yard accuracy.
The reasoning all gave can be summarized as the rigidity of more substantial components, primarily the barrel and a good stock, contributed to accuracy. The accompanying weight stabilizes the rifle for a more consistent bullet launch.
That's my understanding anyway.
Both my hunting rifles are built with high quality components and ridged.Weight saving was my goal, I have been in shooting sports my whole life, archery,pistol and rifle.My packer finished at 7-2 oz. and practice backup at 9-2 oz. 800 yrds is a chip shot for either,my son at 15 or 16 shot a speed goat at 850. The rifles are both Defiance,Lonewolf kevlar glass and ABS barrels.I have shot packer in 1'' at 400 and 6'' at 1000. I punch rocks to 1500+ There both 338 Normas I was in first 5 shots with pratice rifle and I SHOT a pop can at 1002 yrds just playing around,so they can be made lighter and shoot.They both dress out 2 lbs. heavier scoped and bipoded. I shoot with guys that have shot world records with their bench guns and heavy 65 #'s so I am aware of what they can do,the one friend has a stack of 5 shot groups under 3'' at 1000 with 6mm dasher
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