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Old 11-03-2009, 11:51 PM
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Re: Lets talk .338 bullets

[QUOTE=Ron Johnson;327063]I have a 338/416 Rigby Imp, with a 34"Lilja barrel and a orginal Vias brake I bought from George. This rifle has taken 33 antalope, 3 elk and 6 mule deer since about 1997. QUOTE]


Ron,

Give us a the info on your load for this gun, would you? Grains of which powder, MV, accuracy, how many loads on a case, etc. I'm curious to see what guys are getting with this chambering and the 300SMK. Thank you!

OP--hope this is close enough to the intent of the thread that it's considered a hijack.

Thanks,

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Old 11-04-2009, 06:49 AM
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Re: Lets talk .338 bullets

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jwp475,

My concern is that I have not used them and have got mixed reports back about their performance.
I may wish to give them a try in the future and would like to hear from other hunters about their experiences with them. Either good or bad.

Sure all bullets can fail, but if there is a trend of failure with a particular bullet then I would like to know about it.
Yes, there is a trend and that trend is that the TSX are very accurate and kill very effectively
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This wildcat is similar to the one Dan Lilja has, but has a 40 degree shoulder (PO Ackley).
Minimum body taper and a one bullet diameter neck. The action is a Jerry Geske in Superior, Montana. It uses a Remington trigger (Jewel with side safety) and takes a 1 1/8" barrel shank thatís about 1 3/4" long. The barrel that Dan Lilja made for me is 34" long 1.350" at breech and 1" at the end. Its fluted 5/16"wide and deep with 6 flutes 27" long and has a George Vias brake. The stock is a McMillan prone with adjustable cheek piece and butt. Bruce Baer made the base with a 25 min. taper. It uses 4 leupold rings, a cant indicator, and cosine indicator. I use 2 bipods on it, a long Harris for sittings and a versa pod for prone. The finished weight is about 23# with the 8-32X56 Nightforce. I have about 1700 rds thru the barrel and have noticed a little decrease in speed. Sooooo... as far as loading data goes I have used the most WC872 at new barrel full power charge of 121 grs. With the 300 gr. Match king moly coated. Speed is about 3075 fps. I have shot up to 123 grs which got a little over 3100 fps. COL is 4.110". IMR 5010 with a starting load of 110 grs started at about 2930fps. 112 grs at about 1000 rds fired is about 3068 fps. I have used also T-5070, T-5050, and T-5020 powders which also gave good speed and accuracy. I have been using Fed. 215 and 215M primers, and have done some shooting recently with the CCI 250 and H-870 (about 114 grs) in a new rifle with the same barrel length, but a slimmer profile to fit a Ruger #1. Its shoots 3029 fps with a non moly coated 300 gr. Sierra. The molyed 250 grs go about 3350 to 3400 fps, and at a John Linebaugh shoot we tested a 250 gr. Hordandy FMJ went 3360 fps and shot thru 62" of wet newsprint straight. as far as the brass life, if you are careful during load development, I have fired some over 7 times. I have lost some to primer pockets getting loose, but the brass does not grow much at all. My 30-378 I had built in '79, brass grew about .020" per shot. The bolt gun shoots 2" groups at 400 to 500 yds prone off a Spec Ops drag bag. I have not really come up with 100 yd load that shoots less than about 5/8" for 5 shots, but it is relativity easy to hit with at long range, with the high BC bullets. I have tested Barnes TSX have good game anchoring ability, but with the lighter bullet weight the wind bucking is not as good. The Nosler Partion 250 gr go about 28" in the wet paper and don't shoot all that well. As we all know different guns shoot different bullets differently, even in similar rifles. These are just things I have done and for sure not rules or an end all in this field. Richard Graves and I were talking about 4 or 5 yrs ago, and I wanted to test some of his 330 Gr bullets. Richard was still having some trouble getting them into the USA, so I never have tested them, but read many good things about them also.
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This wildcat is similar to the one Dan Lilja has, but has a 40 degree shoulder (PO Ackley).
Minimum body taper and a one bullet diameter neck. The action is a Jerry Geske in Superior, Montana. It uses a Remington trigger (Jewel with side safety) and takes a 1 1/8" barrel shank thatís about 1 3/4" long. The barrel that Dan Lilja made for me is 34" long 1.350" at breech and 1" at the end. Its fluted 5/16"wide and deep with 6 flutes 27" long and has a George Vias brake. The stock is a McMillan prone with adjustable cheek piece and butt. Bruce Baer made the base with a 25 min. taper. It uses 4 leupold rings, a cant indicator, and cosine indicator. I use 2 bipods on it, a long Harris for sittings and a versa pod for prone. The finished weight is about 23# with the 8-32X56 Nightforce. I have about 1700 rds thru the barrel and have noticed a little decrease in speed. Sooooo... as far as loading data goes I have used the most WC872 at new barrel full power charge of 121 grs. With the 300 gr. Match king moly coated. Speed is about 3075 fps. I have shot up to 123 grs which got a little over 3100 fps. COL is 4.110". IMR 5010 with a starting load of 110 grs started at about 2930fps. 112 grs at about 1000 rds fired is about 3068 fps. I have used also T-5070, T-5050, and T-5020 powders which also gave good speed and accuracy. I have been using Fed. 215 and 215M primers, and have done some shooting recently with the CCI 250 and H-870 (about 114 grs) in a new rifle with the same barrel length, but a slimmer profile to fit a Ruger #1. Its shoots 3029 fps with a non moly coated 300 gr. Sierra. The molyed 250 grs go about 3350 to 3400 fps, and at a John Linebaugh shoot we tested a 250 gr. Hordandy FMJ went 3360 fps and shot thru 62" of wet newsprint straight. as far as the brass life, if you are careful during load development, I have fired some over 7 times. I have lost some to primer pockets getting loose, but the brass does not grow much at all. My 30-378 I had built in '79, brass grew about .020" per shot. The bolt gun shoots 2" groups at 400 to 500 yds prone off a Spec Ops drag bag. I have not really come up with 100 yd load that shoots less than about 5/8" for 5 shots, but it is relativity easy to hit with at long range, with the high BC bullets. I have tested Barnes TSX have good game anchoring ability, but with the lighter bullet weight the wind bucking is not as good. The Nosler Partion 250 gr go about 28" in the wet paper and don't shoot all that well. As we all know different guns shoot different bullets differently, even in similar rifles. These are just things I have done and for sure not rules or an end all in this field. Richard Graves and I were talking about 4 or 5 yrs ago, and I wanted to test some of his 330 Gr bullets. Richard was still having some trouble getting them into the USA, so I never have tested them, but read many good things about them also.
Two questions, 1. what caliber are you talking about? 2. why would it be difficult to get 330grn .338 bullets into the US?

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Old 11-05-2009, 10:00 AM
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Re: Lets talk .338 bullets

liltank, It's a .338/.416 Rigby with 40 deg shoulder. It's a huge case and I've always wondered what it was capable of and it's case life. Sound pretty similar to a 338 Lap Imp, but I'm hoping the the Lap brass will last longer. Kirby's building a 338AX for me... Still sounds like the 338/378 Weatherby is a bit more powerful potentially, but from what I've heard, brass life is pretty bad.

Thanks, Ron, giving us the stats on that monster!

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Re: Lets talk .338 bullets

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SNIP


I honestly thought and hoped the 225 Accubond would be the answer but it has failed miserably out of several big 338's this season at various yardage out to 750 yards. Just blows all to crap when it hits something.


SNIP.
Could you elaborate on the bullets recovered?
With a bonded core and a thick solid copper base I'd love to know the retained weight of any of those bullets recovered.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 11-06-2009, 09:23 PM
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Re: Lets talk .338 bullets

LilTank,
Sorry for the confusion!! It is just a 338/416 Rigby Imp wildcat. I do have some "control" brass that has been loaded 13 times, with only 1 trimming. I like this case because with 110-112 grs of H-5010 we can hit 3000 to about 3075 fps without pressure in 34" barrels. I called the case the 338 Nemesis. On the other question, when Richard (Wildcat Bullets) was first starting out, he was not sure how to ship internationally. He of course got that small detail worked out shortly. If a guy can stand it 38" of barrel,we canload to about 50000 psi will give about 3150 to maybe 3200 fps with the 300 gr Matchkings. When we run the numbers, its quite a round. Anyway if you don't mind the weight and the lenght,(about 60") its a shooter. The one rifle we built (Dan Coffin) on the Ruger #1 has a 34" Lilja barrel, and if all goes well I will get to watch my good friend harvest a bull this year in December. Anyway Good Hunting.
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