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Old 05-14-2004, 07:49 AM
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Length Of Pull

Does anyone know if there is a standard? I am having a new gun built and the smith said, tell me what LOP you want so that I can get started on the stock. I went home measured the ones I have they range from 13 1/2 to 14". It seems that if I place the pad on the trigger and then fold my arm, I still have about 1" before the butt will hit my crease of the elbow area. Does anyone have a 15" LOP? I think that is too long. TIA
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Old 05-14-2004, 07:58 AM
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Re: Length Of Pull

The average stock is made for a 5'11" to 6' man.

Add heavy clothing, and it may be too long. I am 5'6", and have mine cut to 13.1", so that it comes up quickly under all conditions.

That's the test. Close your eyes wearing your heaviest clothing for that hell freezing over day. Pull the gun up from being held low. If it hangs up at all, it's too long.
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Old 05-14-2004, 07:59 AM
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Re: Length Of Pull

fyi, you can live with it too short a lot easier than too long. Jeff Cooper wrote about this in The Art of the Rifle. He thinks our stocks are too long.
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:14 AM
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Re: Length Of Pull

I think it has a lot to do w/ the application of the gun and how your sights are mounted. For shooting off the bench, I can usually get the scope far enough forward just using Leupold reversible dovetail rings, so they sit forward about 1/2", and maybe some spacers to take the LOP out to 14". Shooting prone from a bipod, the same stock is too short, and depending on the scope (some change eye relief almost 3/4 inch from min to max power) I end up w/ my neck cramped from pulling it in like a turtle or crawling the stock slightly, all the while w/ the stock off my shoulder. For shooting from a sling in sitting or prone, I usually have to go w/ a combo of an extended weaver rail and a longer (adjustable) stock to get comfortable.

I'd recommend going w/ a long LOP initially; you can always have it trimmed down if it is too long, and it will look better than if you get it too short and have to extend it w/ spacers or a ridiculously thick butt pad. I'm 6'5" and a 14-14.5" LOP seems to work well, but as I said, I favor a rail scope mounting system that allows me a fair degree of freedom in where I mount the scope, and this is for 'fixed' position shooting, either from a bench or a sling or a bipod. For more dynamic engagements, which is what I believe Col. Cooper is talking about, you might well have an entirely different set of requirements.

Monte
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:42 AM
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Re: Length Of Pull

If I recall correctly I believe the measurement for LOP is found by bending the elbow to a 90 degree angle, then, with the palm turned up, measuring from the inside of the elbow down the forearm to the second knuckle of the trigger finger. Make sense? I double checked by measuring myself. I'm 5'7" and shoot a 13 1/4" LOP. This is the length I have all my stocks finished at because I find it to be the compromise that fits me best in all circumstances.
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Old 05-14-2004, 01:18 PM
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Re: Length Of Pull

k2,

before you go getting uppity about what kind of posts about what kind of rifles is OK here, think of this: there are all kinds of 'long range' hunters here on the board. Some people hunt w/ a pack and a bipod/sling, some hunt in teams from prepared positions (including blinds) and some quite literally use some heavy duty benchrests w/ all the bells and whistles. Depends on what they are trying to do, what they are trying to hit, and at what range. Long range to me is anything beyond point blank. To others it doesn't even start til over a half mile. Thus what is 'right' for LOP varies greatly w/ what the users intentions are.

To each their own.

YMMV,

Monte
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Old 05-14-2004, 09:55 PM
 
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Re: Length Of Pull

Monte,
Thanks for speaking for the rest of us! The ultimate intent of this site, is to share; "teach & learn" information, and we can do it much easier without the scrutiny of categorizing each minute detail before helping someone out.
I have gleaned much helpful information from this site, and I appreciate the person or persons; who founded it. Thanks!
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