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Old 03-29-2011, 09:16 PM
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Kestrel 4500 Atrag?

G'day,

Does anyone have any experience or opinions about the new Kestrel 4500 with Atrag ballistics program included?

Cheers,

Matt
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:35 PM
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G'day,

Does anyone have any experience or opinions about the new Kestrel 4500 with Atrag ballistics program included?

Cheers,

Matt
Here is the story...

Ok,

The Kestrel 4500NV has been around for awhile now. The Horus ATRAG feature is the new addition.

It DOES appear to work, BUT there are issues.

The first issue is that Kestrel (Neilsen-Kellerman) doesn't have a currently working BlueTooth enabled version of their configuration / real time software on their support sight. (In fact, the unit doesn't COME with ANY software [Horus or Kestrel]!)

The second issue is that it doesn't have the Horus "Gun Library" software that lets you use a computer to update the device via BlueTooth.

If you call Neilsen-Kellerman, they tell you to call Horus, and if you call Horus, the tell you to call Neilsen-Kellerman.

So what this means: If you want to read the atomospheric data or configure the Kestrel part of the device, you have to call Kestrel and gain access to a non-published version of their software. If you want to edit the firearms list (libraries) in the ATRAG features of the Kestrel 4500NV ATAG BT, you need to get that software from Horus Vision. [By default it comes with the ability for 7 firearms, but is supposed to be able to hold 50... if you use the Horus "Gun Library" software.

The problem: The unit doesn't come with software to support the BlueTooth functionality.

I've called Horus 5 times over the last several days and I haven't heard back from "Larry."

Overall, this would be a great product IF their two companies HAD worked together to provide users with the software packages they needed from the start. Perferably a combined peice of software specifically for the device.

As of this writing NEITHER company has software posted on their website to support this product directly.

They charge ALOT of money for the features, and they are not delivering.

The unit DOES work well, BUT if you are purchasing this specific model you are looking for a Ferrari, but you get a Pinto. (From a support and documention perspective....)
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Old 07-16-2011, 11:16 AM
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Re: Kestrel 4500 Atrag?

I have the Kestral 3500 "AND" a CUSTOM TURRET that is dead nuts accurate out to 900 yds. which is beyond what my 6mm Norma BR. will kill a deer at. With my set up and my Laser Rangefinder I don't need all those fancy programs.

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Old 07-16-2011, 07:16 PM
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Re: Kestrel 4500 Atrag?

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I have the Kestral 3500 "AND" a CUSTOM TURRET that is dead nuts accurate out to 900 yds. which is beyond what my 6mm Norma BR. will kill a deer at. With my set up and my Laser Rangefinder I don't need all those fancy programs.

joseph
Well,

I've gotan 800m rifle in 308, a 1200 yard rifle in 300WM, and a close in gun in 375 for 600 yards...

Then there are the rifles with night vision and thermal optics.

Then I've got about 3 loads for each.

So it's pretty nice to be able to have that at your finger tips with your Kestrel is figuring out the firing solution for the turrets.

Additionally, the turns are specific for altitude and bullet. ...at least the ones I've seen.
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Old 07-17-2011, 10:52 AM
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Re: Kestrel 4500 Atrag?

Since my custom turret only goes to 900 yds. I need to do this below, but if I wasn't shooting a "POPGUN" my custom turret would adjust to a much farther range.

I adjust my clicks for 1,000 yds. which is 108 1/4 moa clicks & 1 click left for the spin of the bullet. This puts me dead center of the blue on a 1,000 yd. official bench rest target. When the humidity changes there is only one click up or down depending. This is only 2.5 inches. When shooting less than 10" groups at 1,000 yds. you are still in the kill zone on an antelope size animal. Will your "dope" help to kill it any better especially if it keeps moving and stoping moving and stoping?

Just wondering?

joseph

PS: A custom turret makes it much easier and faster to get your shot off. That is why so many outfits are selling these caliber spacific systems incorporated into their scopes.

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Old 07-17-2011, 11:09 AM
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Re: Kestrel 4500 Atrag?

I'm rarely shooting at moving targets.

The few times I have to do that are from a helicopter. Then it's more Kentucky windage...
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Old 07-17-2011, 11:13 AM
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I'm rarely shooting at moving targets.

The few times I have to do that are from a helicopter. Then it's more Kentucky windage...
I will state one thing... it's REALLY useful to have software to give you basic senarios as what normal drog at given altitudes and such will be.

In so far as the 4500NV BT with ATRAG... I think that you are better off purchasing an app for your iPhone or iPad (or for that matter prucahsing an iPad), then purchasing an unsupported product from the manufacturer... (Horus Vision and Kestrel [Neilsen-Kellerman]).

It's a very expensive item, it does work, but there is NO support for it over the 4500 Kestrel. In fact, to be honest, NK really hasn't updated the public versions of their 4500 / 4500NV software for some time.

So I can't recommend putting the cash for a 4500NV BT with ATRAG or the 4500NV with ATRAG.
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