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Unread 12-01-2004, 09:16 AM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

I understand wolves are extremely smart. How would you hunt them with enough success to do any good with reducing their numbers ? It's a shame there is not a season on the bastards that put them there to start with.
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Unread 12-01-2004, 09:36 AM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

The Clinton era is responsible for most of it...

as far as hunting them .. I dunno I am not a wolf outfitter.. the Alaska members might have a better handle on it...
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Unread 12-01-2004, 10:59 AM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

Ric, we have the same problem in Wisconsin. If that problem is not enough they just turned 10 Cougars loose in our County along. Suppodely we have 1.7 million deer and this is to reduce the herd. At 1.7 million deer, it equates out to 30 deer for every single square mile of the state. I wish these people would do my tax returns and count the same way. Our heritage is slipping fast. Going to be real hard to take the grandson hunting when the time gomes and there is very little to keep there interest up. Just makes the blood boil. I give money and lobby yet our legislators hands seem to be tied because of the buracracy of the DNR. Dave
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Unread 12-01-2004, 11:50 AM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

Same over here on the west side of the park.
For the past few years there have been periodic news stories talking about how we will be able to hunt the wolves in x ammount of time, but it never happens. Instead, in our area, last year they allowed the shooting of cows and bulls for the first week, and this year they allowed hunting of cow and bulls for the entire season, and now they reported that not enough elk were harvested and they extended the season.
Very strange that because of lower elk numbers they are making up for it by giving hunters more oportunity to harvest an elk.

Something needs to be done before its too late.
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Unread 12-01-2004, 11:54 AM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

Wolves are natural to the ecosystem and IMHO should be there...HOWEVER, to release them and not control the population is a HUGE mistake.
It may seem nice to see huge herds of deer everywhere for hunting, but there is another side to this story too. Michigan maintains the deer population at insane levels for the purpose of hunting. This has resulted in the ravaging of farmer's crops (just as unregulated wolves can ravage sheep/cattle ranches), record deer/car crashes and human deaths, and decimated ecology. Natural forests should have an understory, yet they no longer do in much of the state as the deer herd consumes ALL plants within reach. This is a documented scientific fact. Biodiversity in areas accessible to deer is less than 10% of that in areas fenced from deer.
Do I think there should be wolves in the West? Yes. Will some economic harm come from rancher losses? Yes, but nobody compensates my parents for the thousands of dollars in crop damage they put up with every year due to a deer population inflated for sport hunters either. Will the game animal populations be affected? Yes, but even as a hunter I don't think these populations should be maintained solely in the interests of the hunting community...this would be self-serving and in complete ignorance of the ecosystem and ecology of the area.
It is inexcusable that they would release these animals in an area like Yellowstone with no control mechanisms in place. It is natural that they will proliferate and kill the herds down to a point where the wolves begin to starve, and an equilibrium will be reached. However, given the unnatural range limitations and other changes that humans have caused, we can no longer assume that nature will take care of itself and that this equilibrium will occur at an acceptable level. WE MUST CONTROL THE PREDATORS, JUST AS WE CONTROL THE PREY.
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Unread 12-01-2004, 01:33 PM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

I'm going to have to agree with Milanuk. Cougars are just starting to show up in Nebraska as well. We're not sure how they got here. Supposedly they migrated from the bordering Wy and Co. If they become a problem I may have to resort to Milanuk's SSS strategy.
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Unread 12-01-2004, 01:49 PM
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Re: Just In: "The Truth About Wolves in the West"

I live in Virginia where we now have an elk heard migrant from the state of Kentucky...I wonder if we'll have wolves "migrated" from elsewhere in the country soon. I have not yet had the opportunity to hunt on the herd, but hope to soon.

Seriously, I am also of the opinion that the predator population needs to be checked just as the game population does, so there's nothing less than COMPLETE BALANCE in the environment. As PJ O'Rourke once said, "Politics is a lousy way to get things done." But unfortunately that's what rules the day in many places, particularly where the National Parks are located. Teddy Roosevelt, one of our greatest wildlife conservationists, a serious hunter and IMHO a helluva president, would be turning in his grave now.
“That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.” - George Orwell
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