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Unread 11-18-2004, 08:03 PM
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I don't know who the long 1 is but his point is valid and John said they work in all conditions... in his example he says 4 MOA and 4.1 MOA and he doesnt see the significant difference...
that is kinda misleading to those who havn't had the experience to know better.. if I was a novice I'd assume that they work in all conditions.. but I have shot enough rounds from PA to FL to NC to the high mtns of Wyo to know that one knob won't do the trick...

John may or may not have a vested interest in kenton industries.. but he is misleading in his statements.. it appears that he says you can use them in all conditions. People are more apt to believe him because of how he chooses to make a living...

Unread 11-18-2004, 08:19 PM
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Long 1

Now I'm getting really curious...

I will pretty much bet my right leg to the fact that John doesn't own a LR Big game rifle that does'nt have one on it..

If so, what's your point here?

You just need different knob's for the different conditions...And if John would just say that then people would know the whole truth

John did tell me that some months back. And the Kenton Industries' home page makes it about as clear as it could be so I guess they both told the whole truth. I am just chuckling here by myself at your inference that there is some kind of intentional secret being foisted upon the public by John and Kenton Industries.

But I respect your wish to lay the matter to rest. Thanks. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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Unread 11-18-2004, 09:04 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>I will pretty much bet my right leg to the fact that John doesn't own a LR Big game rifle that does'nt have one on it..

If so, what's your point here?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>My point is that on his rifles that have "THE KNOB" does he have different knob's for different conditions,or does he just guess,or maybe he doe'nt shoot far enough to worry about it... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>John did tell me that some months back. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Then why instead of just saying that to me did he come off with this when I ask him what happens at longer ranges...I think the blowing legs off thing really must have got to him...He's done it a time or two I suppose. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Long 1,
I know exactly what happens at extended ranges and have it documented on video.

You choose to post an example that showed you don’t know what really happens in the real world and were called on it. Now you want to change the example to try and prove your point instead of admitting you were wrong. Sorry but it doesn't work that way.

Jesse Jaymes came here looking for help and for some reason you felt the need to spout off in an area you have limited experience in. That is not what this board is about.

Unread 11-19-2004, 09:25 AM
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Re: John Burns-Best of the West- equipment

Not really knowing anyone on this specific thread (and before many posts were made) I clicked on Kenton's web page, and readily read that different knobs were needed for different conditions. I then called them since I use LER handgun scopes, since I don't own or hunt with a centerfire rifle. I wanted to see if he made them for the Burris 3-12 LER's. Again, in our conversation it was clear I was looking at multiple knobs. Regardless of those involved in this conversation, Kenton Industry (correct name?) made it clear to me that multiple knobs were required in my first and only conversation. I have not ordered any from him since they don't make them for Burris currently. If they do, I know I will own several since they will benefit me for the type of shooting/hunting I do. My max range on game is under 700 yards under ideal conditions.
Unread 11-19-2004, 09:45 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>readily read that different knobs were needed for different conditions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True,now why did'nt John just say that when I ask him what happens at longer yardages instead of come off to me "With I know nothing about it...?...He's wrong,and just won't admit it....
Unread 11-21-2004, 10:07 AM
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I have tried to access home page to purchase the beyond belief dvd, but have not been able to. Does anyone know if the site is down all I get is cannot find page??
Unread 11-23-2004, 11:21 AM
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Re: John Burns-Best of the West- equipment

Sorry I don’t have the time to answer in as timely a manner as some would like but this time of year is very busy for me.

Long 1,

You just keep changing the example to try and win an argument. What in the world does a .308 have to do with the original post??

Jesse Jaymes asked about my equipment as seen on the show so that is the context of my responses.

You whine that you are just telling the truth but your original post was WRONG and mean spirited. You either didn’t know what you were talking about or were intentionally giving a new guy bad information when you stated, “I'm sorry but your "JUST SPIN IT TO 450"won't work any more.”

I choose to give you the benefit of the doubt and corrected you unquestionably incorrect statement, in a rather polite manner considering the unpleasant tone of your post.

You claim to have seen “Beyond Belief” and are no accusing me of blowing legs off so let me know where you saw that?? Pretty easy to sit in computer land and hide behind “The Long 1” from everywhere.


Why don’t you give me the exact quote that you considered misleading?? It seems only you and The Long 1 are having a hard time understanding what I wrote.

To everyone on the issue of BDCs (Bullet Drop Compensators) being used in various conditions this might help clarify my opinions (If anyone cares):

I will say all of my personal systems and most of those seen on the show are equipped with BDCs.

I use one BDC calibrated to 7000 ft and 30 degrees for all my western hunting.

Most of the shots shown in our DVD “Beyond Belief” used this system. The conditions these shots were taken in varied in elevation from 4000 ft to 11,500 ft. The temp varied from –20 deg to +85 deg. The results of those shots are available for anyone to judge the effectiveness of this system.

I believe BDCs to be much superior to counting clicks in any conceivable hunting condition.

As the range increases and the conditions alter from those the BDC was created for the user will have to compensate by either dialing the BDC to a range further or shorter than the actual range to the target.

I carry a conversion chart that cross-references temp and altitude to give a corrected range to adjust the BDC.

If I was going on a major hunt in conditions significantly different than 7000 ft and 30 deg (hard to find) I might be tempted to make another BDC for those specific conditions but I currently have only one BDC per system.

I personally made all of my BDCs. I used to run a CNC machine shop and made them from bar stock. I have no interest in Kenton Industries other than a desire to see them succeed and I have had them build one BDC for a gun I put together for Ray Milligan (The most successful elk outfitter in the world). They did a great job. Ray has used this one BDC from New Mexico to Alaska with great success. (He recently finished his sheep grand slam here in Wyoming with it and we will be showing the hunt on “The Best of the West”.)

Hope this clears up any confusion as to how the systems used on “The Best of the West” and “Beyond Belief” are used and set up.

Thanks for all the emails in support on this thread. You guys are great.

John Burns
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