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Unread 01-02-2008, 01:49 AM
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Bountyhunter- I was talking about pga regulated events like the tour. Just like the tour hunting season is regulated for good reason. Proper management is key to being able to harvest animals every year in idaho. With the ever increasing population here in Idaho, regulations must be put in place.
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Unread 01-02-2008, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by linksmechanic View Post
Bountyhunter- I was talking about pga regulated events like the tour. Just like the tour hunting season is regulated for good reason. Proper management is key to being able to harvest animals every year in idaho. With the ever increasing population here in Idaho, regulations must be put in place.

I am aware you were talking the tour, but the tour does not say that this 3 wood driver is only legal during this two week period, or that it can only be used to tee off and nothing else.

More importantly, proper management of animals has to do with the numbers harvested and timing, not the method. An animal harvested with a round ball flintlock is exactly the same as an inline with smokeless powder and sabots. So method is not the significant point in a management plan and is basically irrelevant. the additional seasons are just tools used to control the numbers.

Why does it bother another hunter if a hunter chooses to use an inline with sabots? What does that have to do with the management plan of number of animals harvested? Answer is self ego that my method is the only correct method.

anyone who has ever fired a flintlock knows it takes a lot of practice to develop the followthru needed to shoot accurately. Now we all know that most hunters have difficulty with a centerfire rifle much less a flintlock. think of how many wounded deer are lost. Someone explain how this makes sense from a pure management standpoint.

the constant in fighting over the "method" will be the ruination of hunting.

This is a LR site, but 90% of most shooters do not like LR and do not think it should be legal anyway

Where do you draw the line? Your common sense is the other guys pet peeve.

The next guy wants you to only hunt while hopping on one leg while using a hula hoop using a slingshot and no store bought stones. He thinks it is great and more sporting like that. Meanwhile the HSUS and other anti hunting groups are laughing their liberal butts off at the sheer stupidity of hunters fighting amongst themselves over "my method is more sporting/correct/desired/primitive" or what ever you want to call it.

My point is this trap is never ending and we have got to get over it. Hunters have to get over the real issue which is their won self ego of "my method is better/more sporting etc etc than your method", therefore I want to force everyone to use my method. If you want to hunt in a muzzleloading season with a flintlock, round balls, cut patches and blackpowder only that should be your choice, not "THE ONLY APPROVED METHOD".

The goal should to get more hunters out there to ensure the continued life of our sport and right to hunt.

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Unread 01-02-2008, 07:06 PM
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Yeah I know what it takes to fire a flintlock, most of my family uses them and we all agree there's a big advantage to the inliner. It does matter what you use for 1 simple reason: With an inliner they are more accurate and easier to use which in turn means more game killed. So basically your saying that we might as well have a free for all and use any weapon at any time. So the hell with the bow hunters we'll just combine all seasons. I never claimed to be a long range hunter. Do I have a problem with it? No! Most people if not all on this forum use there noodles alot more than the average joe who put's a box through his rifle every couple of years. I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating my opinion. Apparently I hit a sore spot and I apologize.
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Unread 01-02-2008, 07:42 PM
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I completely agree with Bounty. We as hunters have allowed the agencies to implement, and asked or demanded for so many stupid rules and regulations that we cannot see the bottom line. Why do we allow a game agency to dictate how old our child should be before his or her first hunting experience? I know kids who at ten years of age have more common sense than some nineteen year olds. I am not a bird hunter but why do you guys have to plug your shotguns, when you shoot your limit are you not done? Why does the govm'nt restrict hunting on Sundays in many jurisdictions, does anybody really care if a rifle is fired ten miles back in the bush on a Sunday?

Hunting is a game management tool, it is the only viable tool for attempting to regulate game populations. The alternates are poisoning and sharpshooters since we are not killing enough on the highways to help keep numbers down. In fact the insurance industry will probably start wielding as much influence as sportsmen regarding reducing deer numbers if the depredation and auto-collision costs keep climbing. To say nothing about CWD and whatever the hell disease will be next. This is about numbers, optimum numbers of deer to meet carrying capacity goals and optimum numbers of DOLLARS from license sales and other hunting spinoffs. Plus minimizing the cost the critters create by eating stored hay, market garden produce, crops and other ag products or by going through the windshields of expensive vehicles on the freeways.

This ******** about more regulations needed to finetune hunting to make the buckskinners feel happy (if there are any left...) or the guys who tempt fate by charging their Savages with shotgun powder or the guy who wants to kill with a baseball bat is just what Bounty said, it is playing into the anti-hunters hands big time.

I would hate to know what the actual wounding rate in Pennsylvania has been over the decades because hunters had to shoot at deer with smooth bore rifles and patched round balls with open sights and black powder ignited by flint sparks. During the actual seconds we are doing the act of taking the life of a game animal we should do so with as much certainty of making a clean kill as possible. Being forced to use the above equipment, particularly after your vision has gone to hell and you cannot see the deer, front sight and rear sights worth a damn anymore - makes a lot of sense. I can place my shot with maxmum precision, whether at fifteen yards or two fifty, with a frigging scope, period. As for what ignites in the barrel or what flies out, why should we give a damn. I loaded the sucker down the muzzle, isn't that enough? I think we should have muzzleloader seasons not primitive weapons seasons - primitive weapons are clubs, knives and spears.

Now I just wasted about fifteen minutes writing crap that does what they want - doing the them and us thing, gov agencies vs sportsmen, producers vs govt, autobody shop owners vs bambi lovers, baseball-bat hunters vs in-line shooters.
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Unread 01-02-2008, 08:07 PM
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Apparently I hit a sore spot and I apologize.
You have nothing to apologize for. Many people feel the way you do. I deliberately posted a different viewpoint to try to emphasize my way of viewing things. I did not do it to have harsh words with anyone but rather to get people to consider other things.

There is an additional fact to consider about the inlines and modern equipment. The excise tax on sporting equipment is apportioned back to the states for wildlife management. While lots of people like to rundown their officials, they are the ones who apply the science to the management as best we know it, while mixing it with some amount of politics and economics. So, when we hunters buy a new piece of equipment we are supporting the manufacturer (look at Winchester and Ithaca and other gun manufacturers who no longer exist) and the management of the animals for the future.

My intention on the original post was just for people to be aware that there are many sides to the issues and things are more complicated than just how the powder is ignited and how far the rifle will shoot.
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Unread 01-02-2008, 09:12 PM
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Do you propose that we have a single season which allows all hunters to use the weapon of choice at any time during the season? It wouldn't affect the number of kills if that's all that matters.
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Unread 01-02-2008, 09:23 PM
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Thanks for the kind words buffalo. I'm the kinda guy that's in the middle. I'm not an extremest one way or the other. This included my political views. I look at both sides of the situation and vote for what will help all of us now and the future.
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