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Old 08-09-2010, 07:11 AM
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I want to hit first time 900+

Im one of those guys that like to mil out my target Ill bring a calculator or notepad dont matter I just dont like electronics out there so here is the problem I cant find a ballistics chart for .338 Remington ultra Mag that goes past 700 yards ... I dont like the idea of people with programs on there phones and pocket pc things doing all the work to get the dope for there scope... I want to take a little more time and pride in my work that im doing what i call the fun stuff. I think that is crazy to have to pay for software or programs like that and the idea of it even sickens me. Need some tips here On a nice ballistics chart for a .338 RUM and what u guys are doing to adjust for angle, wind and so one without all these computer programs and so on. I mean Im mean i could go out there and test and almost every yardline ... ok then adjust for every 10 degress in temp... I have not done any high angle shooting .
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Old 08-09-2010, 07:55 AM
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Re: I want to hit first time 900+

I can appreciate you personal choice to not use electronics and a ballistic proram. But my question is, How are you going to range the animal with out an electronic laser? If you are choosing to range with a reticle you will find that this will have its limits to distance for a first round well placed hit. For example you used 900 yards. A deer that is larger or smaller by 1.8" on the dimention used to judge the distance will proudce a 10% error in ranging at 900 yards. That is a 90 yard error and will result in a huge miss. This could be why you are finding that guys ranging with reticles might choose to real in the distance in an effort to reduce the margin of error.

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Old 08-09-2010, 08:21 AM
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Re: I want to hit first time 900+

JBM Calculations! You can plug in info and then print a paper drop sheet. The other option as stated by you, is go out and shoot each distance in 100yrd increments. Record your turns and and write them down.

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Old 08-09-2010, 08:27 AM
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Re: I want to hit first time 900+

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I cant find a ballistics chart for .338 Remington ultra Mag that goes past 700 yards.
You're not looking hard enough. Any decent ballistics program will do what you need. Berger has a free one on their website. All you have to do is enter your information and you've got your drop chart. Use the G1 BC factor if you don't know the G7.
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Old 08-09-2010, 08:42 AM
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You're not looking hard enough. Any decent ballistics program will do what you need. Berger has a free one on their website. All you have to do is enter your information and you've got your drop chart. Use the G1 BC factor if you don't know the G7.
He don't like "electronics"

cadaverousBloom, I am probably the worst person to even pick up a PC and I find that the NF is really easy to use and that speaks volumes !

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Old 08-09-2010, 08:58 AM
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Re: I want to hit first time 900+

Your only option, if your not going to use electronics is to shoot and create your own drop chart and write it out. Unfortunately for you the best way to create the charts you want is with the programs you hate, my ballistics program with create charts for angle, wind, and just about any other thing you can think of, I like to keep a hard copy of these things so I'm not tied to the PPC. I shoot a lot to validate these charts before hand. I can mill out a target and use the PPC to calculate the range but that falls apart sooner than you think.

If you look back into LRH you will find some of the best guys on here started out milling and quickly up graded to LRF and Ballistics program of some kind simply because the 1st shot cold bore hits is what they are after!!
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:16 AM
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With everything I read in your post and the way I understood it, you should be making your own ballistics drop table and not using a computer gererated chart.

They only way to do that is to shoot and record your own results.

IMO using MILs in long range hunting for the porpose of determining range to a game animal is not a good idea and here is why. The MIL trace it's history in military applications to artillery and sniping use for ranging.

Lets talk sniping because it most closely relates to LRH. When using MILs on the battle field for the intended purpose of hunting men (game animal), the sniper uses mils to take measurements of objects of known size ie, helmets, weapons .etc, too determin the range to target (Elk, Deer,Pigs do not where battle rattle). What can you use that is a know size? A tree.........

People and game are all diffrent sizes so like BROZ said in his post the error is just to great for a one shot kill! In addition you shoot at a human they are very likely to just stand there for a min or 10 depending on religion and give you many solid opportunitys to correct your shot in my experience a deer will not.

So I'm not saying it cant be done at all I'm just saying it cant be done ethically 100% of the time using only MILs. I would use both just to get the practice with the mills but confirm with the lazer.

If you change your mind send me a PM with your email and I will send you a free calculator.
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