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Old 05-27-2014, 11:47 PM
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Re: I need your opinions

Mud,
I always respect your opinion as you do a lot of shooting and are a reputable member of this site. That said, you gotta lay off the .338 hate! I love 7mm's, and I think that they are phenomenal performer, but you CANNOT put them in the same league as any Medium sized .338.
I have been shooting a .338 RUM long before the Lapua "Kool-Aid" hit the market. The amount of ENERGY from a RUM sized .338 dwarfs the 7 STW and doesn't leave your barrel toasted in 900. You cant say that its all about shot placement because Hogs and Whitetails are not Moose, Elk, Grizzly or Bison! Living in central B.C I run into grizzlies several times a season and know that all the animals I listed can take a ton of lead. even if you put it in the boiler room.
Your .338 Win to the 338 lapua is like your quote on the .284 win compared to the 7 STW. NOT COMPARABLE.
With all that said MOST guys cannot shoot their .338s well enough to make a difference (most cant shoot anything bigger that a 7 Rem either), but there is a Big Difference.
In Alaska there are big animals. A lot of guys shoot big guns. There is a reason that 30 cal and up is the norm!

To the OP,
Sorry for the rant. to much coffee, not enough huntin'. I feel that if you are shooting under a grand and Elk, Moose, G-Bear and Bison are off the list there is no need to get anything other than your 7 Rem Mag (STW's are sweet though).
The Senduro in 300 RUM would also be a good fit (especially rocking 230 Hybrids) if you are looking to stretch it a bit. It will come very close to .338 Lapua ballistics.
However... .338's are a ton of fun if you can afford to feed them and they kick the snot out of most everything.
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:48 PM
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You've seen no reason because you've never shot at those ranges in multiple conditions on big game, still does not mean they don't have their place. I tend to shoot a lot smaller cals than even you on much bigger game but I dang sure will respect what the wind, range and type of animal I'm taking will do with those small cals and there is are times and places where a big 338 bullet just has no equal and it's something you'll know when you see it!
Totally agree.

Mudrunner just doesn't know because he has no experience with 33 cal rounds.

The last 2 deer I shot were with my 338-375 Ruger using 250gr Berger Elite Hunter bullets. Both in a 20+mph crosswind at 380 yards and 265 yards. Trust me, there's a difference in how that bullet flies in the wind. And when it hits after leaving the barrel at 2925 fps?.... Well that's just pure magic that is only understood by those who have witnessed it first hand

I have never been a fan of the 30-06 or 308 win for hunting, but I'll never deny their potency and place in the field because I have watched a few of my buddies take a lot of game with those rounds. Anyone who has experience with big 33s knows for a fact that they have their place in the field and fill a broad niche between 30 cal and 375 cal for hunting. (I left out 35 cal cuz it's nearly obsolete)

If a 338 caliber round was not "needed" for North American game, then why does Alaska state law require a minimum of a 338 Winchester to hunt Brown bears?... I rest my case...
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Old 05-28-2014, 02:17 AM
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I hunt Thar and goats on the tops (West coast New Zealand) long ranges and strong winds are the norm, the 338Lm pisses all over the 300Wm, giving good clean kills.
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Old 05-28-2014, 07:55 AM
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Mud,
I always respect your opinion as you do a lot of shooting and are a reputable member of this site. That said, you gotta lay off the .338 hate! I love 7mm's, and I think that they are phenomenal performer, but you CANNOT put them in the same league as any Medium sized .338.
I have been shooting a .338 RUM long before the Lapua "Kool-Aid" hit the market. The amount of ENERGY from a RUM sized .338 dwarfs the 7 STW and doesn't leave your barrel toasted in 900. You cant say that its all about shot placement because Hogs and Whitetails are not Moose, Elk, Grizzly or Bison! Living in central B.C I run into grizzlies several times a season and know that all the animals I listed can take a ton of lead. even if you put it in the boiler room.
Your .338 Win to the 338 lapua is like your quote on the .284 win compared to the 7 STW. NOT COMPARABLE.
With all that said MOST guys cannot shoot their .338s well enough to make a difference (most cant shoot anything bigger that a 7 Rem either), but there is a Big Difference.
In Alaska there are big animals. A lot of guys shoot big guns. There is a reason that 30 cal and up is the norm!

To the OP,
Sorry for the rant. to much coffee, not enough huntin'. I feel that if you are shooting under a grand and Elk, Moose, G-Bear and Bison are off the list there is no need to get anything other than your 7 Rem Mag (STW's are sweet though).
The Senduro in 300 RUM would also be a good fit (especially rocking 230 Hybrids) if you are looking to stretch it a bit. It will come very close to .338 Lapua ballistics.
However... .338's are a ton of fun if you can afford to feed them and they kick the snot out of most everything.
I'm not recoil sensative...I'm not a small guy. I've shot much bigger rifles (un-braked) than .338 calibers and hit just fine.
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Old 05-28-2014, 10:23 AM
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Wait for the 7 stw (I prob wont see it in my hands untill after seasons over) or scrap the idea and go with the 338lm savage??? Im not a stranger to recoil so that's not an issue but it one superior to the other.
I'd go with the .338 over the 7mm.1) I'd take the Savage over the Remington, 2) I like sooner than later, 3) They tell me your location has some wind on occasion. 4) No first hand with either one, but my experience with the standard RUM, and Edge leads me to believe barrel life is better with a .338. Of course that can play the other way, shoot it out faster get it out of your system, then get something else.
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Old 05-28-2014, 11:24 AM
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Hi carl how's it going, anyway I was trying to look at these cartridges two ways ballisitcally, and longevity. I come to a conclusion that the 7 maybe be flatter shooting with more velocity,but I feel the 338 will hang on better in the wind and offer better barrel life. Like Harperc said it tends to get a tad drafty this way. Especially when I head to the western part of the state. I would think that the heaver 338 would buck the wind better. On the other hand. The 338 uses 250,and 300gr pills that's a lot of bullet hitting good meat if I make a bad wind call, cause im not perfect. I don't know if the 168 I planned on putting thru the 7 would make such a mess.

Mudrunner. What ammo did you run thru your 338, factory or hand loads, did you try diffrent bullets all the usuall stuff to develop a load
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Old 05-28-2014, 11:41 AM
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Hi carl how's it going, anyway I was trying to look at these cartridges two ways ballisitcally, and longevity. I come to a conclusion that the 7 maybe be flatter shooting with more velocity,but I feel the 338 will hang on better in the wind and offer better barrel life. Like Harperc said it tends to get a tad drafty this way. Especially when I head to the western part of the state. I would think that the heaver 338 would buck the wind better. On the other hand. The 338 uses 250,and 300gr pills that's a lot of bullet hitting good meat if I make a bad wind call, cause im not perfect. I don't know if the 168 I planned on putting thru the 7 would make such a mess.

Mudrunner. What ammo did you run thru your 338, factory or hand loads, did you try diffrent bullets all the usuall stuff to develop a load
I would imagine the .338 would make a substantial mess, then again, so will anything if the shot hits the wrong place.

There's people who drop moose inside of 500 yards with .25-06's with 1 shot. Shot placement is EVERYTHING. Brute power is important with large game, but it is not all there is to a successful hunt. Ask the member on here (can't ever remember his name) who dropped a monster moose with 1 shot @ 9xx yards with a plain ole' 7mm RemMag.


As for my .338 failure...

One box was handloads using 210gr Swift Scirocco's, and the other was a box of Barnes Vortex 210 TTSX's. It didn't like either of those, so I snatched the barrel and sold it to someone else. Then I turned that rifle into a 7mm RM for deer season this past year. Which is now a heavy barreled .300 Ackley Mag in a HS Precision Sendero stock.

If you want a 1500 yard monster shoot a .300 Ackley Mag with a Berger 210 VLD, or even a 215 Hybrid.

It's basically an improved, fattened, 40* shouldered .300 Weatherby. It hits hard.

Also, my gunsmith has been smithing for 25+ years (machining for much longer than that), and he builds benchrest rifles that will put 5 in the SAME hole @ 200 yards. I've seen his trophies and his targets. I've also seen how he makes my rifles shoot with a worked factory barrel on them.

He won't own a .338 Lapua. He built simself and a couple clients one, using custom actions, Krieger barrls, and McMillan stocks. All 3 of them couldn't get any of the rifles to group better than 5/8" @ 100 yards. He said average was barely under 1" groups on a no-wind day with perfect conditions using Lapua brass, Lapua bullets, and whatever model Vihtavuori powder.

He'll build you one...But he won't guarantee accuracy.

That's not why I don't like them, I disliked them long before I used the gunsmith. But seeing how he can make my factory barreled guns shoot 1/8 and 1/4 MOA groups @ 100 yards, I take his word for it.
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