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Old 05-14-2007, 10:34 AM
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I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

Yesterday my dad and a friend all went up to where we were last weekend looking for some bears. The first thing we did was spend all monrning/afternoon looking for the one my friend thought I hit. We found absolutely nothing. We fanned out across the hillside and searchd for about 5-6 hours.

About 3 pm we decided we better start heading out of the bottom of the canyon. Me and my friend just got done climbing a rock wall, literally, and were taking a breather. We were just joking around and I said, "man I"d give my left *** to see another bear down there." Well get the scissors out cuz 10 seconds later, me and my friend both spotted another cinnamon colored black bear in the bottom...

My dad was actually another ridge over and he had the rangefinder. MY rangefinders battery is dead. We figured the bear to be abslutely no further then 300 yards. Yet, once again, I was faced with at least a 45 degree downhill shot. Remembering everything that went wrong last weekend, and how I shot so high, I figured this time I'd nail him...My 7 RM is zeroed at 200 yards w/the 175g ULD at 2875fps. I only clicked my scope 2 clicks, so that would be about a 225 yd zero. I figured that was plenty considering the range/angle/and I had no rangefinder. I know I didin't want to over shoot him again...The wind was blowing to the left off the ridge about 10-15 MPH, but as soon as the bullet got in the canyon, there was little if any wind at all, so I did not even compensate for it..I dont know if that was a good idea or not...Well the moment of truth was nearing, I could tell the bear was behind a little scrubby tree facing me. I figured I put it right on his chest, and he would be mine. At the squeeze of the trigger, I heard the braked 7 RM go off, and to my surprise I heard no resounding "whop." The bear whirled around and was gone in a flash. My friend did not even get a shot, his remington semi auto 30-06 firing pin didn't go off or some stupid thing like that...I was completely dumbfounded. I just cant believe I"ve missed 3 bears all under 400 yards, this one at 280 and I"m just compltely missing them. I dont get it!?!? After I shot, my dad came down and we rangefinded him at 280. My scope was only set for 225.

Now this is waht I dont understand about the ballistics side of it. I should have nailed that bear reguardless of the angle at that range.....With a 200 yard zero, my bullet only drops like 6 inches at 280 yards, right? Ok, now say the angle was 45, what you would do is times the angle value times the drop, then that will give a number that you take away from you drop. So in this case it would be this.

45 angle value is .293x6 drop inches =1.7

Now its to my understanding you take 1.7 and take that away from 6, and you'll have your new drop at this range/angle and it would be 4.3", right guys??? I got this angle stuff right out the back of the sierra manua, so if I"m reading it wrong, please let me know...ALso, at the extreme side of things, just to say he was at a 60 angle, the difference in drop is only like 3", so not a whole hell of a lot difference either with that kinda angle at that little of range...

What I dont get is this, a bears vital zone sure in the hell is bigger then 6", so why did I miss this bear when the angle/drop had very very little to do with trajectory? Assuming my math is right, that bear shoulda been toast...I dont know where I hit, so I cant tell even begin to tell ya if I shot high or low...All I know is I shoulda hit the bear with only a 1.7" difference in trajectory, its about ridiculous IMO. All I can gather from all these missing shots at a downhill angle is this, I need to get my ass out and practice those kinda shots, cuz they absolutely SUCK!

I've since decided that maybe I dont even need to be up in the woods witha rifle. If cant make a 275-375 yard shot on a bear, then somethings wrong with me. Thats about unheard of for me to miss 3 big game animals under 400 yards. I was about ready to throw my freaking rifle off that damn mountain yesterday I was so pissed off...

I think we have a couple more weekends left. I"m not sure If I'm able to go both of them, but I"m gonna try real hard to make it up there at least 1 more time. Theres just bears running everywhere up there, its crazy. About the only good I can see out of it is this, there gonna be bigger next year.
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:58 AM
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Re: I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

sounds like you are having fun. Dont worry, I missed 20-30 coyotes before I got one. After I got one they have all died.
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Old 05-14-2007, 11:38 AM
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Re: I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

Sounds like you do too much figureing and not enough shooting(plunt red-neck anology)
If it where me I would have probibly missed the first one too,the difference is I would have found a rock or something I could spot a hit on and shot till I KNEW where to aim next time.I aint saying I would not miss again =just that a guy would have a real world idea of where to aim [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:32 PM
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Re: I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

I have to agree. I can see not taking a spotter shot first, because the animal was so close, but I can't understand not taking one after!

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Old 05-14-2007, 01:58 PM
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Re: I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

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Don't get too down on yourself - you are making a bit too much out of all of this. First, there is next to diddly for hold-off inside 300 yards with that or most rifles. You have to get out farther to start to see significant drop changes. I bet you got a bit over-confident and rushed the shot - do you remember getting your breathing nice and even, letting the shot go at the end of a breath, checking how much crosshair movement you had when in your final point of aim, breaking the trigger clean and following-through?

You can do it, just get back to the basics and bust the next one good.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:41 PM
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If the bear was 280 yards at 45 degrees you should have shot at it like it was 196 yards away (.7 x 280 yds). As it is you should have only been a couple of inches off at most. I do find alot of people that sight in their rifles on a bench shooting flat, then go out and shoot from a field position (usually prone) downhill tend to shoot high even with the correct dope. Changing the bodies position relative to the rifle will change how you cheek the rifle (even with a cheekpiece, although alot less) and subsequently chance the bullets impact. You have summed up your problem and you already know the answer .... practice in shooting field conditions and shots.
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Old 05-15-2007, 07:49 AM
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Re: I missed another bear, somebody shoot me now!!!

REMINGTON- WHAT load gives you 2875?? you have a brake on it?? it is a 700 bdl??
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