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How are you leveling your anti cant device???

 
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:11 PM
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How are you leveling your anti cant device???

My question comes from so many shooters shooting one rifle and have different point of aims. Like my shop rifle. I have put the flatline ops levels on and been playing with them and seems like I am chasing a fairly tale. .

Here are the ways that I have tried.

1. Just using talley one piece lightweight rings and using my wheeler leveling kit. Has the level for the turret caps and the barrel clamp level. I will level off the rings or base and try to compare. Have done both. I have also used a short torpedo level across the rings. Once satisfied I will put the barrel clamp on. Then I will mount the scope.

on huskemaws I will level off the turret/ or turret cap. And set the flatline level. .

On nightforce I have both pulled the turret cap and tried leveling off the cap.

2. Doing above but using wheeler bolt raceway level and set barrel clamp, and hang a plump bob and level the scope and set the crossairs then put the level on.

3. I have also used the nightforce picatinny rail and leveled off of it and and set the barrel level and then go through the process. This time I finished up with using the inverted T process and then set the level.

I am just at a lost I have tried alot of different ways and have seen the results and corrected what I though could have went wrong. And things still look off. I have sighted in using the level and then work my way out and things seem to be fine but I can tell for sure that the crossairs are not level, and that I am only doing the same thing all the time that is helping in consistency or maybe I am wrong.

I do think that the inverted t method is good but the bullet is going to go out the top of the barrel at the time, could be slightly crooked or perfect right? I am asking because one time I just did the inverted t and set the scope to track perfect all the way through to 70 moa. Then realized that my gun rest was slightly higher on one side than the other. Shot perfect all the way to 1900 but man it was crooked.

My question is what is anyone doing so the gun shoulders perfect and the crossairs is perfect, and we are not just saying we hold our gun canted?
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Old 10-13-2013, 08:58 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

i am interested to hear what people say too.
I try to level the action as best as i can, then the base, check the rings, get crosshairs good(scope), then i level the rifle set up and then the anti cant with a straight edge to make sure cross hairs are rite.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:10 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

And how do you feel things went. Do you feel the crossairs are still canted or that you hold a gun crooked? I feel that we have a barrel action sitting in a stock crooked and level everything to that and blame how we hold a gun. Just know this is the best place to find alot of different opinions, and cannot wait to hear what everyone's responses are. Thanks
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:25 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

I think its how you are holding your rifle, when i do it a few times and get the same answer un less it is way of i go with it and when it works at long range 1000 yards or better it is probably good, you could always do the tall target and see it things are canted.
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Old 10-13-2013, 09:46 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

Here is what I see still and don't know how or if can be fixed. If the barrel action is so call canted or rolled in a stock that would show unlevel by a levels standpoint until the reciever is flat or level. A level does not care if the butt plate is exactly verticle so it shoulder perfect. But the barrel action in a stock will be thrown up everytime to the same spot on the shoulder. So if the scope and action is out of whack with the stock but scope is trued to the bore. How do we straighten out which is out of wack. A tall target you level targer or use the basic inverted t and zero at the t and make sure it tracks. Does not care how you have to hold your gun that has a scope leveled to it at this point. Just level the corssairs and make sure it tracks. I may just be missing the hole point, just need explained what I am missing. I just feel that a scope is not leveled quite right if a throw up a gun and look at a level crossairs or inverted t and have to cant the gun from there.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:01 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

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I just feel that a scope is not leveled quite right if a throw up a gun and look at a level crossairs or inverted t and have to cant the gun from there.
The scope is leveled fine, the "system" is not leveled correctly. When I first started using levels I was surprised how far I canted some of my rifles when shooting offhand. It really bugged me that I didn't hold my rifles level, but it really doesn't matter to at the distances I shoot offhand.

When I shoot off a bipod I am surprised how level or unlevel I am depending on the terrain I'm shooting in. When I shoot off level ground I naturally throw the rifle up almost perfect, but when I'm on a side hill I will get on target and then check my level and am sometimes way off. It drove me crazy at first, but now I just cant my rifle until it's level and shoot.

I thought the level would help other people shoot my rifle to the same POI but it hasn't. How the person holds the gun, cheek weld, trigger control, etc. all determine POI and certain people just don't shoot the same POI as others.
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Old 10-13-2013, 10:10 PM
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Re: How are you leveling your anti cant device???

Yeah I am just drove crazy by doing the whole process of the inverted T. And I did make sure to rezero everytime after i moved the crossairs. To only go shooting rocks off my backpack and bipods, and find one time the rock was on a slope and instead of the crossairs being tipped up or into the hill were tipped down with the slope. Walked back to my truck and grabbed a 4 foot level and spray paint and sprayed a level line. Then went back and leveled again and just what I thought we are out of wack.
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