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Old 12-16-2011, 02:33 PM
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Re: How often do you clean your rifle?

I agree with JE.. I never understood how cleaning a barrel can be more abrasive or more damaging than a bullet whistling down the barrel at over 3000fps...You hear all these guys say that cleaning is more damaging than actual shooting?!

I like the idea of that wipe out stuff because its easy, not because i think its less damaging. That's like the whole "barrel break in" crap... I probably just kicked over a bee's nest..but I just don't believe in it because there is no evidence or facts that proves that barrel break in is effective...

Barrels will corrode if left dirty and I do believe cleaning religiously (not everyday, dont clean it if it isnt dirty) but I am also not a target shooter. As a hunter, I clean after every hunt.. and when I clean.. I CLEAN!
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Old 12-16-2011, 04:20 PM
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Re: How often do you clean your rifle?

Awe crap, they are cleanable?
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Old 12-16-2011, 05:51 PM
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Re: How often do you clean your rifle?

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I agree with JE.. I never understood how cleaning a barrel can be more abrasive or more damaging than a bullet whistling down the barrel at over 3000fps...You hear all these guys say that cleaning is more damaging than actual shooting?!

I like the idea of that wipe out stuff because its easy, not because i think its less damaging. That's like the whole "barrel break in" crap... I probably just kicked over a bee's nest..but I just don't believe in it because there is no evidence or facts that proves that barrel break in is effective...

Barrels will corrode if left dirty and I do believe cleaning religiously (not everyday, dont clean it if it isnt dirty) but I am also not a target shooter. As a hunter, I clean after every hunt.. and when I clean.. I CLEAN!
I can tell you ...for a fact that breaking in a bbl is effective. Now...what does it do? Well, good question.

Does it increase accuracy? I have no idea, because that there is no way to test. You can't UN- break in a tube to re test. And all bbls are different, even tubes from the same mfgr..in the same caliber...from the same lot of steal, chambered by the same smith and reamer, shooting the same lot of brass, bullets, and primers....ect.


Does it increase tube life? I have no Idea...you can't shoot out a tube and retest....see above.

But, what it has done for me...with every factory and custom tube I have had for the last twelveteen years....is make the bbl clean up faster and easier, with less copper fowling. Will it extend the number of accurate shots between cleaning? Well, I am the wrong guy to ask, as I am a CLEAN FREAK and clean WAY to often. But when I clean a tube that I have broken in, the cleanup is fairly strait forward, quick and simple. Before I got into SERIOUS LR benchrest, and before I started breaking in bbls the cleaning process sometimes took DAYS.

But the phrase "the whole barrel break in crap" is...well CRAP. And you have no evedence that there is no evedence.
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Old 12-16-2011, 06:06 PM
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Re: How often do you clean your rifle?

More often than some do...less often than others.
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In the past I would clean my rifle once a year (immediatly after hunting season) which normaly consisited of 30 -50 rounds. Then come the next hunting season simply take it hunting and clean agin at the end wich is normaly in March for me. I have done this for years and to my knowledge there were no adverse side effects of leaving the barrel dirty for 6 months or so at a time.

Well I now have a gun that was rebuilt for long range shooting and it is a tack driver and I want to ensure it stay's this way and was wondering if my cleaning prctices are sufficient or maybe I need to kick it up a notch? What say yal? Thank's, Brad
The short answer is not very often.

My every day carry rifles get shot four or five days a week, sometimes more. If I were to clean them after every time I shoot them I wouldn't have time to do anything else.

If I'm going to put a rifle up though for an extended period of time I will give it a good cleaning, fire a couple of fouling shots, blow the carbon out, and put a light coat of either lithium or moly grease on the bolt and inside of the tube.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:26 AM
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But the phrase "the whole barrel break in crap" is...well CRAP. And you have no evedence that there is no evedence.

BUT BUT... YOU have not evidence that I do not have any evidence that there is no evidence..SO BLEH!

I feel this is definitely turning into a mature conversation..
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I can tell you ...for a fact that breaking in a bbl is effective. Now...what does it do? Well, good question.

Does it increase accuracy? I have no idea, because that there is no way to test. You can't UN- break in a tube to re test. And all bbls are different, even tubes from the same mfgr..in the same caliber...from the same lot of steal, chambered by the same smith and reamer, shooting the same lot of brass, bullets, and primers....ect.


Does it increase tube life? I have no Idea...you can't shoot out a tube and retest....see above.

But, what it has done for me...with every factory and custom tube I have had for the last twelveteen years....is make the bbl clean up faster and easier, with less copper fowling. Will it extend the number of accurate shots between cleaning? Well, I am the wrong guy to ask, as I am a CLEAN FREAK and clean WAY to often. But when I clean a tube that I have broken in, the cleanup is fairly strait forward, quick and simple. Before I got into SERIOUS LR benchrest, and before I started breaking in bbls the cleaning process sometimes took DAYS.

But the phrase "the whole barrel break in crap" is...well CRAP. And you have no evedence that there is no evedence.
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It is very simple. The reason you break in a barrel is to reduce the rate it fowles.

Most barrels shoot their best clean, and then at some point if you keep shooting without cleaning
accuracy will fall off. It may not be much but it will fall off to a point.

Some barrels will shoot 3 or 4 almost in the same hole and then throw a fly-er. others will shoot
more (Like 7 to 9 more before accuracy is affected.

If you think about it fouling is not consistant so the each shot has to deal with different conditions.

A barrel that has not been broken in will foul faster and be harder to clean. I know this for a fact
because I tested a rifle buy firing 50 rounds through it and keep tract of the groups.
after about 4 hours of cleaning I then proceeded to break it in using the shoot and clean method.

Groups dropped dramatically and if I cleaned after every 5 shot group accuracy was better by 50%
or more. If I stopped cleaning the groups worked there way back up in size. Also this rifle would
shoot good tight groups until it reach 6 or 7 shots without cleaning.

So In my opinion, breaking in a barrel improves overall accuracy and slows the rate of fouling
so I break all of my rifles in and clean as often as possible and try never to reach the point of
accuracy loss.

When I first started working on other peoples rifles I found that most of them just needed a
good cleaning to restore there original accuracy.

This will not change some peoples minds and so be it, I will keep doing what I am doing until
something changes my mind.

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