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Old 04-09-2013, 09:41 PM
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:48 PM
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No friggen kidding......You can't help but hunt in high winds along the Hi-Line. If you waited for a calm day the hunting season would be over.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:27 AM
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I live on Oklahoma. The wind is most always blowing. Especially this time of year. Wind at 40mph with gust at 60 is not uncommon. So my question is, at what point do you personnelly consider to be to much wind. Where it stops being good practice, and becomes just slingging lead down range? OR is there such a thing? What say you?
If you can get set up where you are shooting straight into or away from the wind it becomes pretty irrelevant.

Steady winds if you have a good weather station aren't really a problem either because you can calculate accurately no matter what the speed. Of course it also matters a lot if you are in a shooting position where you are out of the wind which is also stable.

Gusty winds become a huge problem for many reasons not the least of which is the fact that it can be gusting at different speeds and at different times where you are, mid flight, and at the target.

Except where you have a gust front winds are rarely coming in waves that are consistent across a wide front.

In short, it's going to depend on a lot of factors.
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Old 04-10-2013, 12:44 AM
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Yep, skill level. I don't have it.

I guess I should have said in the field vs in the range shooting. I don't range shoot any more, so all of my stuff is in the field. In the field means mountains. The wind is a real mess in the mountains and varies wildly from ridge to finger, to draw, etc. Drives me nuts so I tend to start backing down my LR shots to the margin of error as was just mentioned. Meaning if I error a MPH or two I am still within the kill zone. I passed on a wolf pair at 1400 yards in 16 mph wind coming right to left and in my face. It was inconsistent and changed directions enough during flight that my confidence went way south. The bullet had to travel over a couple of terrain features.
Practicing in the wind is the only way to get there. Mastering the wind is the hardest part of LR shooting. Anyone that tells you they have mastered it completely is probably FOS.

Growing up at 4,000 plus feet altitude and doing a lot of hunting/shooting at higher elevations I admit is a definite advantage. For those who don't get into shooting seriously until later in life, it's just going to take a hell of a lot of practice to catch up.
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:14 AM
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Re: How much wind, is to much?

I hear that. Grew up as a farm kid and had the op to shoot every day but it was all close in stuff. Almost all of my hunting has been with a bow though. Bow hunting frustration prepares a guy a bit for LR frustration.
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:48 PM
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Re: How much wind, is to much?

I agree with what some have said on here already. If it is a steady wind, to me it doesnt matter what the ammount is as long as it is steady and measureable. Also it would be nice if it were all consistant in direction as well. If you shoot in 100 mph wind, even gusting, head on, it will not affect the bullet path at all. If it can be measured it can be measured and accounted for I would then feel comfortable shooting in that wind. If it is gusting wind and ranging from lets say 10-30mph, then I pack up and go home, unless im hunting, in whcih case I will change my tactics and hunt at closer ranges. If it is practice, I will throw lead at gusting wind from 0-30. Alot of time I will correct for some value and then wait until it is at that given value for a few seconds and then send it. It never hurts to practice in any and all conditions possible, it lets you know your limitations, expecially if you are talking about hunting. I would be much more likely to send one while hunting if I have practiced in a given set of conditions and know what my odds are from all of the practice prior to taking the shot. I guess what I am saying is that there is no limitations while you are practicing, as there should never be. If there are limitations you should always be looking to push them out a little farther. That is how one gets better.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:46 PM
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Re: How much wind, is to much?

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If you can get set up where you are shooting straight into or away from the wind it becomes pretty irrelevant.

Steady winds if you have a good weather station aren't really a problem either because you can calculate accurately no matter what the speed. Of course it also matters a lot if you are in a shooting position where you are out of the wind which is also stable.

Gusty winds become a huge problem for many reasons not the least of which is the fact that it can be gusting at different speeds and at different times where you are, mid flight, and at the target.

Except where you have a gust front winds are rarely coming in waves that are consistent across a wide front.

In short, it's going to depend on a lot of factors.
Gotta KINDA disagree on one of your statements...shooting directly into or away from the wind. HUGE mistake. Try shooting a 10 shot string into a 20 mph headwind that may switch from say 5 oclock to 7 oclock...which is pretty much an un noticeable switch....and very common!!! I would rather shoot in a strait cross wind that swithches from 20 to 30 mph....you can at least feel that change and make some alowances for it. The difference in impact points moves TWICE the amount in the slight headwind switch situation.

Example...300 Berger at 2800 fps

A 10 mph increase in wind velocity and a 9:00 or 3:00 wind yealds an impact switch of 4.4 moa. You should be able to catch at least half of that push (or let off)...we are talking about a 50% increase (or decrease) in wind velocity.

A DIRECTION change from 5:00 to 7:00 yealds an impact switch or 8.8 MOA...from 4.4 L to 4.4 right!!! That is an 8.8 MOA difference!!!! Even if your switch is a 5:30 / 6:30 switch the impact numbers don't change that much...you would think that they would change by half, but the change is minamal....I can't do the calcs because my I6 program has a glitch in it.....it shows a 3.7 R moa with a 6:30 wind, and only a 0.8 MOA Left with a 5:30 hold...somthing is amiss with my program. We know that if a 6:30 wind yealds a 3.7 moa movement that a switch in the oppisate direction would yeald the same amount in the oppisaste direction..........For a total of 7.4 MOA difference in a 5:30 / 6:30 situation!! Again...nearly double the movement of the 10 MPH switch at 9:00 or 3:00.

Nope, give me big switches and a STRAIT CROSS WIND any day!!

And, for those saying "yah, but what about a switch from 8:00 to 10:00. Not that big of a deal...about 1 MOA!!

Just my .02,
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