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How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

 
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:12 AM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Besides the specific laws, there are general negative assumptions by a lot of people with respects to suppressors:
1) Assumption that they are illegal
2) General assumption that if you have one that you are up to no good
3) They are so quite that you cannot even hear them being fired
4) I would even go so far to say as many of law enforcement officers (both conservation officers and police) have very little understanding of the actual laws pertaining to suppressors


After people have shot mine:
1) They want to know what it takes to own one (ie cost & legality)
2) They can’t believe the recoil reduction, increase in accuracy
3) They love the fact that most calibers can now be shot without hearing protection (personal choice)
4) They are impressed with the accuracy.

I have yet to take someone shooting or met someone at a range that shot one of my suppressed rifles that after shooting them said that there are no needs for a can, that they were unimpressed, or that they are a waste of money.

I will not turn this into an ethical debate; however, Scotsgun did bring up a very good point in the fact that it can lead to more follow-up shots... thus cleaner kills.




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Old 04-12-2011, 03:25 AM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Hello I have a question everyone seems to avoid concerning sound suppressors...
I have access to highly advanced CAD which I love and a high tech state of the art precision CNC machining service so I am in the process of getting several of my own designs for high power sound suppressors approved through the form 1 procedure so that I may manufacture several for my own pleasure being I have a moderate background in mechanical engineering ( and loosing my hearing)...I feel it is a awesome gift to be able to design and perfect a one of a kind firearm after going through the proper channels with the BATF and getting approved..
There is tons of info and clearly stated may I add on the welding/pinning on of "flash suppressors" to legally make a SBR a non-NFA legal weapon not requiring NFA registration. I have not (clearly) read any such info on the welding on of a "sound" suppressor to establish the same end result. Therefore I am assuming any sound suppressor attached to any weapon by any means designed to propel a projectile by a explosive charge must be registered as a NFA weapon and the only benefit to doing this would be to avoid a SBR additional tax stamp and $200 ( or stamp all together if allowed) to a weapon (avoiding a 2 stamp $400 tax stamped weapon)...
I have tried to make sense out of the literature on the ATF site but it can be confusing...Can anyone add to this topic of my question being ;
Do I have to register a firearm with a combined barrel/suppressor length of over 16" with "welded/pinned" on "sound suppressor" with a removable baffle design to the ATF? Or would the removable baffle be the cause of this requirement only??....Thanks.
Mark
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Old 04-12-2011, 04:13 AM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Also my 2 cents on the topic of long range shooting with suppressors,you have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Point of impact will change in relation to barrel contour and length as the extra weight and how far out it hangs from a bedded point will change the harmonics...I have found heavy barrels bedded as well as the action of course (1.350" straight) are less prone to the variables of barrel harmonics and with precision well made suppressors "DO NOT" change point of impact and "tighten groups"! Believe it or not on lighter tapers barrel sag does happen and multiplies as heat goes up with a CAN attached or weight attached to the end of a barrel consequently causing you to hit several inches lower at nominal ranges...I have never seen changes in velocity from a well designed suppressor, ever! Also fat short barrels ,18-20" are actually very stiff and all that is necessary to propel a safe load with a non magnum case capacity; .308, .243 to its near maximum velocity with a almost non existing, un-noticable loss...I hacked off 11 inches from my hot 6mm-284 1:8 twist 1.350" barrel to make it 18.5" + a 14" long suppressor and found;
1. A lot lighter gun.
2. more accurate with and without suppressed but more suppressed.
3. 3150 FPS using a 105 grain Berger VLD tight NK safely which is astonishing in a 6mm-284 with a 18.5"
4. A 180-200 FPS loss only which may possibly be made up with a different powder..
5. they are great muzzle recoil arrestors also.

When you add the benefits of less recoil, less noise, less barrel harmonics what is there to lose?
They are great for the long shot and a joy to watch the vapor trail or heat trail at night with a Thermal....Hope I did not blab too much but thats what blogs are for...
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:21 AM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Interesting stuff Velocity.

I don't have an answer for you.

But, I would sure stay way clear of the BATF S!@# list.

-- richard
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Old 04-13-2011, 07:33 PM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

We shoot suppressed at work with a 308. Out of 3 rifles and shooters we all closed our groups with the can on. This remains true out to 1000. It wasnt much and could be attributed to less recoil and report. I am not sure on the velocity change but I know that the gun shoots much dirtier with it on. We shoot 200 rounds with it on in a day with out cleaning and had no malfunctions. Its a knights armament M110.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:01 PM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Thats what I expected to hear...That Knights is a costly CAN also obviously so is the 110 if its a stoner but I'm sure your paying for the ability to withstand all tactical scenarios with that awesome combo...I don't have any experience other than with the bolt guns but the results should be the same as the psychological aspect of less report and recoil reduction are a joy to look forward to when you pull that trigger and believe me your sub-conscience knows it too. I love to see the bullet inpact having never blinked or lost sight of it in the scope blinded by a muzzle flash...Day or especially night of course...
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:09 PM
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Re: How does a suppressor effect long range shooting?

Yes it is nice being able to spot most of your own rounds. At night with out any night vision you cannot see any flash at all but when using the night optic you pick up a little and cant see any splash so its really hard to spot. I would love to put a can on my personal rifle.
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