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Old 12-08-2013, 12:40 PM
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How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

Let's keep ethics out of this and focus on the thread title.

An issue came up in another thread that posted a video in which the shooter missed the first shot at long range. The spotter called for a sighter shot to make adjustments and the adjustment was made which resulted in a hit. The animal, a moose, did not go down until hit once more after some time had expired.

Another member commented that posting this video on the web would draw a lot of criticism from those opposed to long range hunting. Others said there was nothing wrong with posting the video as it is the real world and proper steps were taken to correct the situation.

I have mixed emotions on the subject. I have been in other forums where if you even mention long range hunting the self appointed ethics police will fillet you alive. The arguments made by those who favored posting the video are valid... but... they are seen through our eyes who have knowledge and experience of the sport.

Those who are against it are usually both ignorant of the sport and fundamentally against the idea of it. In my experience they do not listen to facts, experience and reason. They choose to remain ignorant.

I will say that in another forum a few years back when i was one of the first ones talking about long range hunting I got a lot of heat and very little support. As time progressed more guys were talking about shooting and hunting at longer ranges. The "antis" still raise a fuss but maybe not as intensely and this past year a number of those members began construction of a 1000 yd range (In Alaska). So recently there is much more acceptance and support of long range shooting and hunting on that site. That said if you were to go post the video in question that site, it would create a huge ruckus.

So, is it best to be selective in what we post or be totally open?

Please keep it civil guys... remember we are all on the same side.
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Old 12-08-2013, 12:53 PM
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Re: How do we deal with some of the reralities of our sport?

The reality is captured in the video; as real as they get.

The reality is that WE all miss shots, that's human err. Heck, even multi-million dollar high tech equipment misses. I worked on avionics guidance and control systems and weapons control systems in fighter and attack planes in the USAF.

The reality is; the follow-up shot is just as important as the first.

Cheers!

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Re: How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

One of the best ways to handle reality is to point it out.

The reality of it is, hunters miss shots at all ranges from a few feet to as far as the eye can see.

The spotter shot was a great idea vs slinging lead wildly. Much better to pick up the needed correction from a puff of snow than a hit on a let or animal that's had it's jaw blown off.

The other reality we have to deal with is that large game taken at any range often takes more than one shot.

It doesn't matter if the range is 20yds or 2000 both will be out of the range of some shooters due to the shooter's skills and equipment.

Reasonable people will accept reality if it's pointed out.
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Re: How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

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One of the best ways to handle reality is to point it out.

The reality of it is, hunters miss shots at all ranges from a few feet to as far as the eye can see.

The spotter shot was a great idea vs slinging lead wildly. Much better to pick up the needed correction from a puff of snow than a hit on a let or animal that's had it's jaw blown off.

The other reality we have to deal with is that large game taken at any range often takes more than one shot.

It doesn't matter if the range is 20yds or 2000 both will be out of the range of some shooters due to the shooter's skills and equipment.

Reasonable people will accept reality if it's pointed out.
Great post WR. I agree! We have nothing to be ashamed of or hide. Real world education is the way to acceptance. We that are true long range hunters know this. Many of us long range hunters grew up hunting close range and know either can produce a less than desirable situation. Some that don't agree are simply not hunters at all, uneducated on the subject, or are just one of those that wait behind the key board to take a cheap shot. There are too many that really offer very little educational data to this forum, yet are right there waiting to attack or bitch. In reality they talk more than they hunt or shoot.

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Old 12-08-2013, 01:29 PM
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Re: How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

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Great post WR. I agree! We have nothing to be ashamed of or hide. Real world education is the way to acceptance. We that are true long range hunters know this. Many of us long range hunters grew up hunting close range and know either can produce a less than desirable situation. Some that don't agree are simply not hunters at all, uneducated on the subject, or are just one of those that wait behind the key board to take a cheap shot. There are too many that really offer very little educational data to this forum, yet are right there waiting to attack or bitch. In reality they talk more than they hunt or shoot.

Jeff
Yep. My history as a rifleman began shooting prairie dogs with an open sight .22lr. I learned a lot and my range increased as my rifle collection grew.

I've made my mistakes too, we all have, and sharing our experiences will hopefully help others avoid the same mistakes.
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Re: How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

I believe for the sport since this is open forum, there shouldbe some selective editing. I had mixed feelings. The forum has like 70,000 so that is alot of opinoins, and it is LR so it should be more open here. But I have seen postings where people think 400 is long.There are many different abilities on this site so what is long for one isnt for another. I raised my boy as many on forum know as a hunter.So I understand shot, I have dialed scope while son on target many times.And hunting is not perfect.I had my son on a nice bear, which he is crazy about and he missed the well set up shot, before I could say boo, he jumps over and shoots off knee as bear crosses chute.I would not show this and was filming.He knows he shouldnt taken shot, but wounds bear and finds out what its like to finish job in a alder patch. Thats hunting, and not all kids listen. He is currently in MPschool after graduating Marine meritoriously,squad leader,and expert marksman.The sport has changed tremendously with the newer sportsman shows.Maybe someone can recall another film,think it was No land for timid?In AK,there is footage near end where the author says he had thoughts about not showing sceen, due to graphic nature,think this was 60's-70's?But wanted to show the reality.Hunter shoots a large polar bear at close range w/think a 375 H&H.The bear goes thru ice and gone...Then climbs back out and If I remeber takes over 1/2 dozen shots,some knock him down some dont,waters flying off him,too date some most awesome footage I have ever seen.The reality of a tough bear
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Re: How do we deal with some of the realities of our sport?

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One of the best ways to handle reality is to point it out.

The reality of it is, hunters miss shots at all ranges from a few feet to as far as the eye can see.

The spotter shot was a great idea vs slinging lead wildly. Much better to pick up the needed correction from a puff of snow than a hit on a let or animal that's had it's jaw blown off.

The other reality we have to deal with is that large game taken at any range often takes more than one shot.

It doesn't matter if the range is 20yds or 2000 both will be out of the range of some shooters due to the shooter's skills and equipment.

Reasonable people will accept reality if it's pointed out.
Could not agree more!!
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