Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Hunting > Long Range Hunting & Shooting

Long Range Hunting & Shooting Nightforce Optics


Reply

Hornady A-Max

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #29  
Old 11-27-2011, 08:43 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halfway between Lubbock and Dallas
Posts: 4,566
Re: Hornady A-Max

Quote:
Originally Posted by Varmint Hunter View Post
Actually, one of my Hornady manuals specifically recommends the A-Max for hunting thin skinned big game animals. I've had excellent results on whitetails with the 162 A-Max at all ranges when fired from a 7STW.
The quote I provided is directly from Hornady's website.

They are a great target and varmint bullet. There are much better bullets for game including the Interlocks which have outstanding performance all the way around.
__________________
Without the First and Second Amendments the rest of The Constitution is Meaningless.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 11-27-2011, 08:45 PM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Montana Plains
Posts: 289
Re: Hornady A-Max

Tnwhip had about the same result I did. Shot a larger mule deer than his deer in the neck with a 7mm 162 A-Max from a 7x57 at 200 yards and the spine was shattered with complete pass through meat with the recovered bullet near the offside hide. Recovered bullet had 38% weight retention after smashing bone at a relatively close range. There is nothing wrong with that performance.

The secret is to limit impact velocity to 2500 fps at the most and bullet should hold together well enough to get to vitals. The A-Max will continue to expand at a velocity below the lowest velocity that a Scirocco or similar tough bullet will fail to expand. If you are shooting at a range where your tough bullet tends to pinhole through, switch to a very soft bullet.

The reason I use the 7x57 is that impact velocities are ideal for medium game and real world open country ranges with the A-Max. The ideal impact range in my case goes from 200 yards to at least 500 yards. With a magnum, shove those distances farther out. 3200+ fps means you have at least 700 fps to bleed off before impact.

Nobody says you have to use the same bullet on every shot. I even shoot prairie dogs with two different pellets depending on the distance and my air reservoir remaining pressure. It ain't rocket science, just adapting to a changing condition.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 11-27-2011, 09:28 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The rifle range, or archery range or behind the computer in Alaska
Posts: 3,515
Re: Hornady A-Max

Quote:
Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
The quote I provided is directly from Hornady's website.

They are a great target and varmint bullet. There are much better bullets for game including the Interlocks which have outstanding performance all the way around.
And Varmint Hunter is quoting from the Hornady hardback reloading manual. If they did'nt work for our style of hunting, we would'nt be using them. In some cases yes, other 'hunting' bullets are better. But for many cases, the AMAX is a phenominal bullet for LR hunting. Which is what we do here.

300 RUM 178 AMAX on game at 100 yards, not so much. 300 RUM 208 AMAX on game at 1400 yards will blow the interbond, interlock or whatever intermawhatsit out of the water. 300 RUM 180 Interbond etc....on game at 100 yards or other close ranges, now you have a point. Since we are longrange hunters, we use what works for our style. The AMAX bullets work. Period.
__________________
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (where the shot goes, how big the group is, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-27-2011, 10:07 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Thunder Basin, WY
Posts: 1,788
Re: Hornady A-Max

This past season was my first time trying the A-Max on anything but praire dogs, but I'll share the info for anyone that's interested.

Copied/pasted from another thread:

Everything I've read on the A-Max suggests that it should be used for medium to long range only, and for broadside presentations only. After using other match bullets for varmints and predators, I'd probably concur with what I've read about the A-Max.

I did shoot two whitetail fawn deer this past season with the 105 A-Max at 3000'/sec out of a 243. 1st one was 300 yds broadside and very close to disapearing into a ton of thick tall willows.....I purposely shot for high scapula/spine so I didn't loose it in the willows if it ran off a little. That one dropped right there and the wound at the top of the shoulder blades/spine was big enough to put my fist in without touching hair. The bullet would've been going about 2500'/sec. kill was instant as far as I know.

2nd whitetail fawn was about 180 yds and broadside in a large clearing. I opted for a double lung shot and it also dropped dead right there. The entrance wound (from inside the body) was about 2" and the exit wound (also looking from inside the body) was about 3". The lungs were schrapneled to the max and some stomach/intestine damage also.........very, very explosive and broken ribs both in and out. That bullet would've been going about 2700'/sec.

Just passing this on FWIW, I know the 105 is a totally different animal than the 208, and a whitetail fawn is totally different than an elk, but perhaps they act similar at similar velocities.??

I was meat hunting only this past season and I shot the only two whitetail deer that I had shots at. It wasn't long range by any strech of the imagination, but it's the only info I personally have to share with these bullets.
__________________
Aim small = Miss small
SBruce


Last edited by SBruce; 11-27-2011 at 11:00 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 11-27-2011, 10:17 PM
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 370
Re: Hornady A-Max

My shot on a small buck with a 243 w/105 A-max at 297 yds was broadside and penetrated both shoulders. The deer traveled 10yds at best.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 11-27-2011, 10:43 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Halfway between Lubbock and Dallas
Posts: 4,566
Re: Hornady A-Max

Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Eichele View Post
And Varmint Hunter is quoting from the Hornady hardback reloading manual. If they did'nt work for our style of hunting, we would'nt be using them. In some cases yes, other 'hunting' bullets are better. But for many cases, the AMAX is a phenominal bullet for LR hunting. Which is what we do here.

300 RUM 178 AMAX on game at 100 yards, not so much. 300 RUM 208 AMAX on game at 1400 yards will blow the interbond, interlock or whatever intermawhatsit out of the water. 300 RUM 180 Interbond etc....on game at 100 yards or other close ranges, now you have a point. Since we are longrange hunters, we use what works for our style. The AMAX bullets work. Period.
178gr Amax #30712 BC .495.

178gr Interbond #30709 .480.

No it doesn't blow it out of the water in any respect.

As for "we". I've been killing things at long range for over 30 years and I recommend not only what works, but what works best and most consistently.
__________________
Without the First and Second Amendments the rest of The Constitution is Meaningless.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 11-27-2011, 10:52 PM
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The rifle range, or archery range or behind the computer in Alaska
Posts: 3,515
Re: Hornady A-Max

Quote:
Originally Posted by WildRose View Post
178gr Amax #30712 BC .495.

178gr Interbond #30709 .480.

No it doesn't blow it out of the water in any respect.

As for "we". I've been killing things at long range for over 30 years and I recommend not only what works, but what works best and most consistently.
AMAX = expansion at 1300 FPS (maybe less).

Interbond = expansion at 1800+ FPS.

Yeah. The AMAX will blow the Interbond out of the water at extreme ranges. Period.

I will totally agree with you about the Interbond, ACCUBOND etc....versus the AMAX at close ranges but never LR. Especially since most of my hunting loads dont have hyper velocities to start. If I used the 180 Interbond for deer in my 308, I am limited to about 550 yards due to the velocity requirments to open the bullet. The 178 AMAX will get me well past 800 effectively. I say effectively because the AMAX will 'consistently' open up at very low velocities where as ACCUBONDs, Interbonds, X bullets etc....dont. Again, short range = one bullet, long range = another. Many others here have been killing things at LR for a long time too. They (and me) recommend what works also.

That said, have you ever tried them on medium game at LR?

Well, have you?
__________________
Long range shooting is a process that ends with a result. Once you start to focus on the result (where the shot goes, how big the group is, what your buck will score, what your match score is, what place you are in...) then you loose the capacity to focus on the process.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads for: Hornady A-Max
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hornady 6.5 SST... MTGunner Reloading 7 06-13-2011 04:11 PM
Hornady #5 gamehauler Reloading Equipment and Components 0 03-29-2008 06:22 PM
WTT Hornady 140 gr. SST (.264) winmagman Guns For Sale 0 10-25-2004 06:35 PM
Hornady die set for .38/.357 Guns For Sale 0 11-24-2003 04:27 PM
30 cal Hornady SST samson The Basics, Starting Out 19 04-22-2003 12:07 PM

Current Poll
Have You Ever Backpack Hunted?
YES - 62.43%
1,070 Vote
NO - 37.57%
644 Votes
Total Votes: 1,714
You may not vote on this poll.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC