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Old 11-29-2009, 08:14 PM
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Good, HONEST story Kirby. An example for all to follow when it comes to sharing their hunt. Due to your honesty, I for one learned something I didn't know...yip instead of poke with the gun and irregardless of time since hit assume the animal is alive...one could get injured or worse yet imagine if it were let's say a bear. My hats off to several others that responded to your post for their honesty about their less than 1 shot kills. PS, TV-of coarse the edit some of that stuff-IMHO.


If one hunts enough and shoots enough game I can assure you that they will not all be 1 shot drop in thier track kills, no matter what the cartridge bullet combo is.
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Re: High Shoulder Hits, be ready to finish the job....

I have shot a pile of stuff high in the shoulder. I all instances they dropped to the dirt and never moved. On 99% when I arrived to recover them they were grave yard dead where they lay. I did lose one animal a black bear to the high shoulder shot, totally my fault I placed the shot slightly to high. I didn't take into account how thick the bear fur was when aiming. Long story short unable to locate, unable to recover despite and exhuastive effort. The video told the story, putting the shot slightlyover the spine. I suspect it is like anything else nothing is fool proof. These are inrteresting experiences and they do renforce certain lessons like never be in the woods for any reason without a firearm.

Kirby was the spine broke but the lungs untouched, due to the high through the cavity hit?
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Old 11-29-2009, 08:45 PM
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anchoring an animal to the ground is nice but hard to do. Having some education(EMT) and experience on how the human body works when severe blood loss is ocurring the human body will cut blood flow off to the skin(pale,cool, clamy=signs of shock), digestive system, brain and finally the heart before death will occur. To put it simple the body will make the container smaller and smaller until you don't have any blood left and expire.

Why the buck survived I will give you my thoughts. The bullet struck in the no kill zone(no major organs were punctured). This caused the animal circulatory system to react vasoconstricting and shunting off the blood flow to the area to try to keep as much blood in the system as long as possible. Every animal will be different just like every person compensates differently.

It is truely amazing how the body works, the defense mechanisms we have and don't even know it. I guess that is why I know evolution is impossible.



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Thanks for sharing the story. I don't particularly care for the high shoulder shot. I normally aim a little lower and at the back edge of the front legs to take out the lungs. I don't mind tracking the animal 50-100 yds, and I don't worry when I see the animal bolt at the shot.

I shot a Bull caribou high-shoulder 3 falls ago with a 7mm RM 160 accubond - 850 yds. Paralyzed the animal but didn't hit vessels, arteries, or lungs to bleed him out. It would have taken about 45 minutes to get over to finish the kill. With the animal now on the ground, there was very little target left to engage. His head was propped up due to the size of the antlers, so I took a follow-up shot at the top of the neck where it connected to the top of the shoulders. Fortunately I connected through the CNS further toward the head than the first high-shoulder shot and the animal expired on that second hit. But I could as easily have missed and the animal would have lay there moving its head around for close to an hour until I could get down my hillside and over to where I could have finished the animal on the opposing hillside.

Anyhow, I understand the appeal of shoving the relatively slow moving bullet at long range into the bone of the high shoulder area, but I prefer and tend to place the bullet through the center of the lungs - same location as I'd place a broadhead - right at the back edge of the front shoulder/leg muscle. The high shoulder shot seems to work more often than not. But even when it does work, I don't particlularly care for the excess meat damage the high shoulder shot typically causes. However I'm not about to argue with anyone about their preferred shot placement. To each his own.

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Re: High Shoulder Hits, be ready to finish the job....

In my opinion nothing was wrong with the shot. You can never tell how an animal is going to react. Last year we shot two does back to back 320 yards I took the first small one behind the shoulder and it went 50-70 yards and fell. It looked like a crime scene, blood everywhere in the snow and its heart was hanging out of the exit hole with part of it missing. The second large doe was hit with the same rifle in the same place and dropped at the shot, go figure.

I still stand by the high shoulder shot for long range hunting. Not because the double lung / heart shot doesn't kill as good, the high shoulder is a safer shot at long range. I the shot goes high you get spine or a miss if it goes low you get lung and heart. On a traditional shot you chance blowing a leg off if you drop it low.

As for DRT I've stoned more deer with the high shoulder shot than the behind the shoulder. I've got many pics of deer I've shot and It would be hard to guess which ones were DRT shots and which ones ran.
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Kirby,

I had the same thing happen to me last year. I shot a cow elk with my 338 Lapua improved at 658 yards. I was shooting a 300grain SMK at 2950 fps. The bullet impacted above the front shoulder 1 inch below the spine. The elk dropped like a rock. I waited 15 to 20 minutes and drove over to the elk. I could not believe when I walked up to the elk that it got up and ran about 80 yards. I fired a second shot to the head and it was all over. When I skinned the animal out I also noticed the bullet did its job. The inside of the elk looked like jelly and had a 3 inch exit hole on the other side. I still to this day have no idea how that elk got up and ran. After that occurance I always aimed behind the front shoulder and hoped for a lung shot.
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Re: High Shoulder Hits, be ready to finish the job....

Haven't shot enough animals at long range to give and opinion of shot placement that is why I didn't. Just some reasoning why the buck didn't expire right away.

That being said I have a few questions. I am assuming the DRT acronym is dead right there(not a texter). On your DRT high shoulder shots was an exit hole present? Or was all the energy disapated on the animal? I am curious if the bullet fragmented in the body cavity causing extreme trauma throughout the organs. I haven't had much experience with DRT shots. They usually ran 50-70yds and expired. I would love to hear some experience on DRT shots and what you seen when field dressing the animal. Exit hole, fragmenting, etc.




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