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Old 05-17-2014, 05:53 PM
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I don't see any problem here except for someone falling victim to false assumptions thrown around the Internet about Berger bullets only shooting good when seated close to the lands or jammed into it.

There is absolutely no reason to seat that bullet into the lands. I have actually shot my very best groups with Berger VLDs seated WAY back off the lands in rifles with magazine lengths restricting seating depth.

If you know how to load test properly and have the powder selection to do it, you can get Berger VLDs to shoot with excellent accuracy at any seating depth. And that's a fact.
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Old 05-18-2014, 02:48 PM
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I don't see any problem here except for someone falling victim to false assumptions thrown around the Internet about Berger bullets only shooting good when seated close to the lands or jammed into it.

There is absolutely no reason to seat that bullet into the lands. I have actually shot my very best groups with Berger VLDs seated WAY back off the lands in rifles with magazine lengths restricting seating depth.

If you know how to load test properly and have the powder selection to do it, you can get Berger VLDs to shoot with excellent accuracy at any seating depth. And that's a fact.
my 3006 mag only allows me to load 3.34in would I seat to that length and play with charges or pick a charge and play with seating depth with that being my max length.
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Old 05-18-2014, 03:05 PM
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my 3006 mag only allows me to load 3.34in would I seat to that length and play with charges or pick a charge and play with seating depth with that being my max length.
I pick a depth and play with powder charge first. Then if I get shifting groups (3 grouping nicely together, then 2 grouping nicely together, but the group of 2 is detached, but near, the first 3), I adjust OAL.
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I don't see any problem here except for someone falling victim to false assumptions thrown around the Internet about Berger bullets only shooting good when seated close to the lands or jammed into it.

There is absolutely no reason to seat that bullet into the lands. I have actually shot my very best groups with Berger VLDs seated WAY back off the lands in rifles with magazine lengths restricting seating depth.

If you know how to load test properly and have the powder selection to do it, you can get Berger VLDs to shoot with excellent accuracy at any seating depth. And that's a fact.
Dang internet!
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I pick a depth and play with powder charge first. Then if I get shifting groups (3 grouping nicely together, then 2 grouping nicely together, but the group of 2 is detached, but near, the first 3), I adjust OAL.
thanks mudd..
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Old 05-18-2014, 05:38 PM
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thanks mudd..
I should clarify that I shoot 5-shot groups for varification of a load.

So if 3 shots group here, and 2 shots group an inch away, but together...That is a sign of a good velocity node, but that your seating deptch needs adjusting.

That sucks that your magazine is so short. I love that the Remington 700 LA's have such a long mag well. I can seat my 185 VLD's in my .30-06 AI right up in the lands if I want, and still not reach maximum mag length.

Works exactly the same for a 7mm RemMag. That's just another reason why I recommend the 7mmRM over a .300 WM. You can't do that with a .300WM, the case and bullets are too long to seat up into or near the lands without having to have a Wyatt's extended mag box installed by your smith. We've tried it with my buddy's 700 SPS .300WM on several occasions with several different bullets. No-go.
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:00 PM
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I should clarify that I shoot 5-shot groups for varification of a load.

So if 3 shots group here, and 2 shots group an inch away, but together...That is a sign of a good velocity node, but that your seating deptch needs adjusting.

That sucks that your magazine is so short. I love that the Remington 700 LA's have such a long mag well. I can seat my 185 VLD's in my .30-06 AI right up in the lands if I want, and still not reach maximum mag length.

Works exactly the same for a 7mm RemMag. That's just another reason why I recommend the 7mmRM over a .300 WM. You can't do that with a .300WM, the case and bullets are too long to seat up into or near the lands without having to have a Wyatt's extended mag box installed by your smith. We've tried it with my buddy's 700 SPS .300WM on several occasions with several different bullets. No-go.
I'm going to try to find a good load at mag length, if I don't, I have decided to just shoot it as a single shot
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