Originally Posted by Magnumpeanut
Did the 308 stop killing people in the last 75 years?
No, but the enemy combatants know how far they can "effectively" shoot so they stay beyond that range or because of terrain, especially like in Afghanistan, the distances are so much greater for a cartridge that was designed for 800 yds...
Originally Posted by bwaites
John, There are lots of GREAT wildcats with similar or even better performance, like the .338 Edge, the Allen Magnums, etc., but selling the military on a non-standardized cartridge seems like an impossibility to me.
Thus the Lapua seems like the best bet.
Neither the .30/06 Springfield or the .308 Win/7.62NATO were commercial rounds until the military made them popular so your criteria of non-standard rounds doesn't apply...The .338 Lapua was made up for long distance shooters and morphed into being a sniper round...
Just because it's a wildcat now doesn't mean it won't be commercially viable tomorrow--think .22/250, .25/06, .250/3000, .30/338, .338/378...Hell, I remember when Elmer Keith got Winchester to make his .338 OKH into the .338 Win Mag and Weatherby to make their .338/378 from his round...
Look at the hype over the military adopting the 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC as a replacement for the .223/5.56mm NATO...They sure weren't commercial rounds 8 - 10 years ago when this hullabaloo started!
The reason the military is sticking with the .308 as it was the only calibre that got created by the military's Ordnance Dept. and they don't want to see their baby go bye-bye! Well ,he's over 50 yrs old and should by this time leave his mama's apron strings!
Commercial; .338 Lapua but my preference is for the .408 CheyTac built on a standard M-40 style not the floating barrel that they copied from EDM...mine shoots impossibly small groups at all ranges to >1,500M...
For a real kick check out RND Mfg.
for their Edge ARs in .300 Win mag, .338 Lapua mag and they built for the SHOT Show a .408 CheyTac...
The .416 Barrett is supposed to be neat but they and CheyTac just wouldn't sell their "one shot" computer to those who wanted to build their own, so we had to use our own computers to do it...The Barrett is just a necked down .50 BMG (so they could sell in CA) as is the .460 Steyr which I'd rather shoot of the two...
My next purchase is going to be an Unique Alpine
switch barrel in .308 Win, .300 Win Mag, .338 Lapua and .338 Allen Mag...
Mainly, forget about that POS Remington 700 action...for hunting/varmint rifles it's great but for a military action it requires CRF and my biggest beef with it--you have to spend $1,000 getting it blueprinted, squared, adjusted, trigger replaced when you could just go out and buy a semi or full custom action, like a Surgeon, RPA etc. for less money...I don't really care that you can make the 700 action shootable when you completely rebuild it, it then is no longer a 700 action...Just as a NASCAR stock car isn't your daddy's Oldsmobile!!!